Advertisement
Advertisement
⚡ Community Insights
Discussion Sentiment
86% Positive
Analyzed from 834 words in the discussion.
Trending Topics
#duckdb#more#database#ducklake#query#process#storage#another#using#might
Discussion Sentiment
Analyzed from 834 words in the discussion.
Trending Topics
Discussion (19 Comments)Read Original on HackerNews
Columnar storage is very effectively compressed so one "page" actually contains a lot of data (Parquet rowgroups default to 100k records IIRC). Writing usually means replacing the whole table once a day or appending a large block, not many small updates. And reading usually would be full scans with smart skipping based on predicate pushdown, not following indexes around.
So the same two million row table that in a traditional db would be scattered across many pages might be four files on S3, each with data for one month or whatnot.
But also in this space people are more tolerant of latency. The whole design is not "make operations over thousands of rows fast" but "make operations over billions of rows possible and not slow as a second priority".
So if you typically use a file-backed DuckDB database in one process and want to quickly modify something in that database using the DuckDB CLI (like you might connect SequelPro or DBeaver to make changes to a DB while your main application is 'using' it), then it complains that it's locked by another process and doesn't let you connect to it at all.
This is unlike SQLite, which supports and handles this in a thread-safe manner out of the box. I know it's DuckDB's explicit design decision[0], but it would be amazing if DuckDB could behave more like SQLite when it comes to this sort of thing. DuckDB has incredible quality-of-life improvements with many extra types and functions supported, not to mention all the SQL dialect enhancements allowing you to type much more concise SQL (they call it "Friendly SQL"), which executes super efficiently too.
[0] https://duckdb.org/docs/current/connect/concurrency
I updated your reference [0] with this information.
OpenDuck takes a different approach with query federation with a gateway that splits execution across local and remote workers. My use case requires every node to serve reads independently with zero network latency, and to keep running if other nodes go down.
The PostgreSQL dependency for metadata feels heavy. Now you're operating two database systems instead of one. In my setup DuckDB stores both the Raft log and the application data, so there's a single storage engine to reason about.
Not saying my approach is universally better. If you need to query across datasets that don't fit on a single machine, OpenDuck's architecture makes more sense. But if you want replicated state with strong consistency, Raft + DuckDB works very well.
When I look at SQLite I see a clear message: a database in a file. I think DuckDb is that, too. But it’s also an analytics engine like Polars, works with other DB engines, supports Parquet, comes with a UI, has two separate warehouse ideas which both deviate from DuckDB‘s core ideas.
Yes, DuckLake and Motherduck are separate entities, but they are still part of the ecosystem.
Obviously not a production implementation.
In my case my systems can produce "warnings" when there are some small system warning/errors, that I want to aggregate and review (drill-down) from time to time
I was hesitating between using something like OpenTelemetry to send logs/metrics for those, or just to add a "warnings" table to my Timescaledb and use some aggregates to drill them down and possibly display some chunks to review...
but another possibility, to avoid using Timescaledb/clickhouse and just rely on S3 would be to upload those in a parquet file on a bucket through duckdb, and then query them from time to time to have stats
Would you have a recommendation?