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You still have the right to bodily autonomy. What sellers don't have is the right to sell something that kills their clients and has obvious consequences en mass.
Just grow your own tobacco, cure it, process it, and roll your own cigarettes. Think of it like building your own Linux distro. You always had that ability, but didn't exercise it. Now you can.
Just grow your own grapes, ferment them, distill them, and bottle your own whiskey.
Just raise your own cattle, slaughter them, butcher them, and prepare your own steak.
Just raise your own cows, milk them, pasteurize the milk, and produce your own cheese.
Here's something else that's argument-destroying: the ban doesn't apply to the people born after 2009, it applies to anyone trying to sell them tobacco or vapes. This falls under the aegis of regulation (can't sell heroin either) and applies to all sellers regardless of race, age, sex, etc, so it's not even discriminatory. Claims destroyed, nice try token conservative at liberal outlet.
But finally, Friedersdorf talks about the dignity of making choices and dealing with the consequences. I'd love to see him make this argument to people dying slowly of COPD and emphysema, people with mouth, throat, and lung cancer, people who will die before meeting their grandkids, etc. Just, chilling detachment from humanity.
The argument that smokers were victims who didn't know hasn't held any water for decades...
This is a terrible argument. Imagine a law that prohibited ALL vendors, regardless of age, race, sex, etc from selling to people of a certain race. Would you claim that such a law is not discriminatory, because it affects vendors of all races equally?
> particularly lazy article
> just a bunch of trying to troll the libs
> Here's something else that's argument-destroying
> Claims destroyed, nice try token conservative at liberal outlet
> Just, chilling detachment from humanity
I don't agree with CF on many things, including this smoking ban, but I'd point out these kinds of flourishes do nothing but weaken your overall point.
Was pretty surprised to see the U.S. bump up smoking age to 21
These efforts seem like the opposite of progress and promote irresponsibility and dependence
Want to die? Die fast, not in a way that waste everyone’s money, and don’t take others with you.
So I'd say things are already exactly as you wish.
I'd be interested to see this - you have a source you can link for it?
Except, you know, the "don't take others with you" part.
That is a crucial, fundamental part of liberalism that people often skip over. Everyone only seems to remember the "I have the freedom to do whatever I want" part and skip over the "until that freedom impedes the freedom of others" part.
This solution at least lets the current addicts maintain their addiction, but there are much safer ways to get nicotine these days if you want it, lozenges, vapes, pouches.
Not in the UK but in Sweden. Smoking is already banned in restaurants, on train platforms, mostly all in public.
With health care being tax funded in regions, I dont want to pay for smokers bad health.
"oh but do you want to tax or prohibit unhealthy foods!!??"
Yes, first remove all drinks with sugar or heavily tax them. Not needed. Zero sugar drinks only.
2nd - price hike on snacks, chips, nuts, chocolate, "pick n mix" candy, sugar candy
3rd - BMI based health. Want any help for pain, surgery, whatever and your BMI is over 25? Lower it and you get it. Do you smoke? Stop. Do nicotine? Stop. Any hard drugs? Stop.
But they have a crazy amount of calories. Nuts are not a thing to snack on, if you eat more than one handful, but it is easy to eat an entire bag and at that point just eat chips.
"A small 1.5-ounce serving often contains 240–300 calories, while larger bags (e.g., 100g) can range from 570 to 750 calories."
https://youtu.be/xrTTIYd2OyY?si=3ZVicQxgxzXhu4s9&t=27
> 2nd - price hike on snacks, chips, nuts, chocolate, "pick n mix" candy, sugar candy
I love being proven right.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47848115
Sweden does not have a sugar tax but Norway does, they go over the border to buy candy.
The big limit here is alcohol, over 3.5% is only able to be sold in special regulated stores https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systembolaget
I assume you are american, must be very blackpilling to visit Sweden. Imagine living in a functional democracy and society where things work like public transport and holidays.
https://youtu.be/xrTTIYd2OyY?si=3ZVicQxgxzXhu4s9&t=27