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skew-aberrationβ€’2 days ago
I can't help but feel that this article is burying the lede. According to FERC, Home Depot sold 'Environmental Attributes' to America Efficient, not mere sales data. 'Environmental Attributes' are intrinsic to the energy saving device, and it should not be possible to sell them separately without a contract with the consumers. Therefore, Home Depot themselves would appear to be heavily implicated - but the possibility is not discussed.

The energy savings were sold by HD twice - once to the customer (who pays a premium for less energy usage, and may also have claimed federal tax credits), and once more to America Efficient (who sold them to the state / grid operator non-profits).

It's an interesting kind of subsidy arbitrage - since businesses can benefit from subsidies that consumers cannot, it creates an incentive to carve out the subsidy-granting-essence from consumers sales and sell them on in aggregate.

ChuckMcMβ€’2 days ago
This is a wild story about creating a business that buys and sells not using electricity. I jokingly suggested you could build an 'energy consumption facility' which was just a big resistor connected to ground (which is all an unprofitable bitcoin mining rig is) and then get paid for not using it.

The original source for this was Matt Levine over at Bloomberg. His take is also quite good: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/newsletters/2026-04-30/sel...

prattmicβ€’about 2 hours ago
β€œHis specialty was alfalfa, and he made a good thing out of not growing any. The government paid him well for every bushel of alfalfa he did not grow. The more alfalfa he did not grow, the more money the government gave him, and he spent every penny he didn't earn on new land to increase the amount of alfalfa he did not produce. Major Major's father worked without rest at not growing alfalfa. On long winter evenings he remained indoors and did not mend harness, and he sprang out of bed at the crack of noon every day just to make certain that the chores would not be done. He invested in land wisely and soon was not growing more alfalfa than any other man in the county. Neighbours sought him out for advice on all subjects, for he had made much money and was therefore wise. β€œAs ye sow, so shall ye reap,” he counselled one and all, and everyone said β€œAmen.”

-Joseph Heller, Catch-22

recursivecaveatβ€’43 minutes ago
I think you could actually build a small resistor (an energy efficient appliance if you will) and then get paid for not building a giant resistor (the hypothetical crummy appliance you didn't buy). I suppose one fix at least is to tie any ability to auction your load-reduction-services to the capability to actually reduce load on command. If you reduce load around the clock or at uncontrolled times (like an energy-efficient lightbulb) then your reward ought to be just the average price of power since you're not really helping to smooth out the peaks in any way. In general though these counter-factual pricing schemes are pretty prone to distortion I think and ought be be avoided. Ideally your reward for not using power during a peak is just you don't pay an inflated peak power cost.
mitchbobβ€’about 2 hours ago
Thanks for the Matt Levine link! Archived version:

https://archive.ph/2026.05.02-224747/https://www.bloomberg.c...

ryandammβ€’about 2 hours ago
It's worth signing up for Levine's free newsletter and listening to the podcast (though there is substantial overlap in the content, it's still fun to hear what you've already read).

His take on this, crypto, all things Elon Musk, and the current 'predictions market' are funny and insightful.

idiotsecantβ€’about 2 hours ago
This is possible, but the interconnect queues and costs are enormous. You'd be better off using a big battery instead of a resistor, then you can sell it both ways, and not rely on the portion of the day in the right portion of the year that there are widespread negative prices in California.