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noworriesnate•about 1 hour ago
TIL that Microsoft is the least Israel-friendly of the big three clouds:

> Among the cloud giants, Microsoft is considered the most vulnerable to anti-Israel protests and allegations of the use made by the Ministry of Defense on Azure, its cloud platforms, since it is the only company among the three major cloud companies that has not signed a special agreement with the Israeli government and the Ministry of Defense. The industry says that Haimovich, who is known as a prominent salesman with the government sector, was appointed country general manager, among other things, due to Microsoft's plans to retain and increase business with the government sector, despite not winning the Nimbus tender.

> In 2021, Israel awarded Amazon and Google the Nimbus cloud tender, encouraging government bodies and public organizations to migrate to these services, at the expense of Microsoft. In return, Amazon and Google pledged to establish service areas in data centers on Israeli soil, in order to avoid exposing security or government data to foreign regulation.

bhouston•about 1 hour ago
> TIL that Microsoft is the least Israel-friendly of the big three clouds

This is a good thing.

American companies should not be allowing their tech to be used to in the gross ongoing human rights violations in Israel/Gaza/West Bank.

Google and Amazon knew their tech could be used for human rights abuses in Israel (their lawyers warned them so) but ignored that in favour of $$$ per the EFF:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/04/google-and-amazon-ackn...

danudey•about 1 hour ago
Yeah but when you read the article it comes across less like 'Microsoft doesn't want its services used for ethics violations' and more 'The unethical genocide Israel is doing uses some servers in the EU exposing Microsoft to legal and regulatory issues'.

IOW this isn't an ethical or moral stance against what the Ministry of Defense was doing, it's purely because they could potentially get in trouble with the EU for abetting the genocide.

expedition32•3 minutes ago
Yeah this is exactly it. Europe is no longer friendly with Israel.

It makes Americans seethe with rage ofcourse- only Americans are allowed to put pressure on corporations.

bhouston•40 minutes ago
> Yeah but when you read the article it comes across less like 'Microsoft doesn't want its services used for ethics violations' and more 'The unethical genocide Israel is doing uses some servers in the EU exposing Microsoft to legal and regulatory issues'.

You are incorrect. Microsoft has made clear that it is related to all of its Azure services that were misused with regards to its terms of services, not just those in Europe.

Here is Microsoft's original statement when it began this investigation:

"The Guardian, on that date, reported that multiple individuals have asserted that the IDF is using Azure for the storage of data files of phone calls obtained through broad or mass surveillance of civilians in Gaza and the West Bank. Microsoft’s standard terms of service prohibit this type of usage."

https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2025/05/15/stateme...

shevy-java•14 minutes ago
Agreed, but then Germany is also to be held liable as it supports Israel and allows the USA to use its bases there to bomb people in far-away countries. So there is a huge inconsistency here, IMHO.
ToucanLoucan•about 1 hour ago
> American companies should not be allowing their tech to be used to in the gross ongoing human rights violations in Israel/Gaza/West Bank.

Fully agreed, but also a hard sell given that America itself does not recognize what is happening there as a genocide.

Something something man understanding depending on his salary.

Americans only give a shit about the price of gas and eggs. Whoever has to die to keep those down is apparently fine with the majority of our population.

bhouston•about 1 hour ago
> Fully agreed, but also a hard sell given that America itself does not recognize what is happening there as a genocide.

This has nothing to do with a declaration of genocide. Both Amazon and Google respectively have made commitments to not enable human rights violations:

https://sustainability.aboutamazon.com/human-rights/principl...

https://about.google/company-info/human-rights/

stasomatic•13 minutes ago
Like... all of us 300 million plus? Thanks dude.
frumplestlatz•about 1 hour ago
There is not general or even majority agreement that there even are “human rights abuses” going on in Israel/Gaza/West Bank.
megabless123•39 minutes ago
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-c...

GENEVA – Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel said in a new report today. The Commission urges Israel and all States to fulfil their legal obligations under international law to end the genocide and punish those responsible for it.

catigula•34 minutes ago
Incorrect.
yodsanklai•40 minutes ago
> American companies should not be allowing their tech to ...

Do they have a choice?

idle_zealot•16 minutes ago
In what dimension do you mean? Legally? Yes, unless based out of a place with an anti-BDS law. Politically? Sure, it's a bet against those currently in power and for the sentiment in the population. Practically? Yes, they can refuse business and contracts. I suppose they could also put killswitches in their hardware/software, but I wouldn't be a fan of that for digital-rights reasons. Economically? Who knows, the market makes no sense at all currently. They could probably get away with whatever.
shrubble•8 minutes ago
I’m kind of confused, in that Israel is not that big in terms of population, about 10 million people; how much data and cloud do they need?

The state of Pennsylvania is 13 million; would MSFT losing PA do them serious financial damage?

shimman•about 1 hour ago
That must explain why the "least" friendly MSFT asked the FBI to spy on employees attending pro-Gaza/anti-genocide protests:

https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/microsof...

Good grief. Let's maybe not parrot out nation state propaganda with zero critical thinking on what's being said.

george916a•36 minutes ago
Of course. Instead let’s call TikTok propaganda “critical thinking”, virtue signal and be content how “smart” and “moral” we are.
hersko•about 1 hour ago
Is it because it is the most "woke"? Weren't they doing land acknowledgments before some big press event?
cyanydeez•about 1 hour ago
No, it's just a random coin toss. Most of what's happening with rich people becoming psychotic or anti-social is simply greed based. You add money to 70% of the population and they'll turn out to be an asshole.

If Microsoft was given more attention by AIPAC or it's billionaires, it would've been the same.

Watching the rise of fascism in america should really remind everyone that theres far more going on then a single idiot driving far right fascism.

noworriesnate•39 minutes ago
Being anti-Israel is a bipartisan position in the US among the constituents but not among the representatives (yet)
idle_zealot•11 minutes ago
There's bipartisan consensus among both constituents and representatives. They're just the opposite consensus.
periodjet•about 1 hour ago
This is a very bad look for Microsoft. Israel is the only successful and powerful free democratic state in that part of the world, surrounded on all sides by authoritarian regimes who scheme its destruction, and Microsoft harrumphs and says it would be unethical to do business with them? All the while continuing to do business with the Saudis, the UAE, and Qatar. But no, Israel (the only good guy in the area) is just a step too far…
TRiG_Ireland•9 minutes ago
Israel is a terrorist, fascist state committing genocide and ethnic cleansing.
bhouston•38 minutes ago
For those that do not know, this is part of the fallout of this Microsoft investigation from 2025 into the misuse of Azure services in Israel for military purposes:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/09/microsoft-blo...

tinfoilhatter•7 minutes ago
Israel has been leaking US state secrets to China and Russia for decades. Intel and Microsoft both moved core R&D hubs to Israel even after the country had been caught leaking US secrets. Israel is not an ally of the United States, end of story.
shevy-java•15 minutes ago
> In September 2025, Microsoft decided to unilaterally terminate the usage agreement with IDF intelligence Unit 8200 after an article published in the UK newspaper "The Guardian," which claimed that the unit was collecting information about Palestinians for the purpose of fighting terrorism

Ok but ... isn't Microsoft forced, by law, to cooperate with the US government and US military? So why is that then not an ethical (or other) issue?

To me this seems inconsistent. The only "necessity" I see is for Microsoft to be penalised by EU laws, which could explain that "investigation" to some extent. But the EU in general is super-weak. They even give data from EU citizens to the US government as-is, without any problem, so I don't quite buy into that explanation. Is there another explanation that makes more sense?

tradethedelta•about 1 hour ago
Israel consistently flaunts international law, has been accused of war crimes by the Hague, and the UN has found it most likely has committed and continues to commit genocide in Gaza. So I am not surprised that dealing with the country's Defense apparatus would lead to ethical concerns. Every international company should think twice about doing business with the Israeli government or companies rooted in defense and cybersecurity.
hersko•about 1 hour ago
Didn't they just have a 5k in Gaza? Its genuinely wild that people think it's a genocide.
artnanika•about 1 hour ago
What a bizarre thing to say, concentration camps during the Holocaust also had swimming pools and soccer fields (for the inmates as well), does that prove the Holocaust is a hoax? Swimming pools, soccer fields, and 5k events do not disprove ongoing genocides.
rodrodrod•42 minutes ago
Let's not forget the 1936 Berlin Summer Olympics too. Public events don't disprove atrocities.
_alternator_•about 1 hour ago
Honestly it's difficult for me to respond to this comment because the premise is so clearly flawed.

A semblance of civilian life does not mean genocide did not or is not taking place. Wholesale population displacement, destruction of a significant percentage of civilian structures, bombings, raids, land and sea blockades, statements from leaders that suggest genocidal intent... these point in the other direction.

Would it only be genocide only if no child in Gaza was smiling? If no one was getting married, no one singing, no one relaxing amid the horror? Inhumanity of this level of extreme only occurs literally when everyone is dead. I guess that's the line you have in mind?

hersko•about 1 hour ago
"Wholesale population displacement, destruction of a significant percentage of civilian structures, bombings, raids, land and sea blockades,"

These are all things that happen during war. Explain why this war is different. All war is bad. I genuinely don't see how this is not a war but a genocide.

tptacek•about 1 hour ago
Wholesale population displacement is explicitly not (by itself) genocide under the convention. Genocide is an intent crime, and the intent has to be the eradication of the targeted ethnic, national, racial, or religious group. Kidnapping all the children in an occupied territory and dispersing them so they can't be returned to their families is genocidal. Mass displacement isn't.

The fixation on the term "genocide" has been a major own-goal for advocates of Palestinians. It was deliberately defined to be a difficult bar to clear. "Warm crimes" and "ethnic cleansing" are easy claims to make in the region, and ordinary people don't care about the distinction between "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide"; that term would have served just as well, without the escape hatch "genocide" provides.

rexpop•about 1 hour ago
It was held in the U.S., not in Gaza, at Nethermead Lawn in Prospect Park, Brooklyn.

There are also other Gaza 5K events in U.S. cities, including Dallas and Milwaukee, depending on the year and location.

hersko•about 1 hour ago
They had one in Gaza.
b00ty4breakfast•44 minutes ago
See, the thing that makes a genocide is all the dead people. The dead people who were killed by Israeli missiles and bombs. Or when they, the Israeli military, denied aid workers entry into the steaming heap of rubble that they, the Israeli military, created with their missiles and bombs. The steaming heap of rubble that used to be populated buildings that they, the Israeli military, bombed into powder whilst people were inside of them.
dpoloncsak•about 1 hour ago
Pretty sure it was in NYC to raise funds/awareness for what is, by any modern definition, a genocide
kgwgk•about 1 hour ago
Surprisingly, 5k races may happen in multiple places: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYM64Boqt9K/
hersko•about 1 hour ago
Nope [1], they actually hosted a 5k in Gaza. Can you imagine Holocaust survivors or Armenians during the genocide taking part in a 5k? I can't.

Also, it is definitely not "by any modern definition" a genocide. Ireland is currently trying to broaden the definition of the term just to indict Israel [2]

[1] https://ca.news.yahoo.com/palestine-marathon-returns-gaza-we...

[2] https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/409187

rolymath•about 1 hour ago
What exactly did he do?
danudey•about 1 hour ago
Allowed 'unethical' usage of Azure services by the Ministry of Defense

(...to occur on servers in the European Union, where Microsoft could get in trouble for it)

aaa_aaa•about 1 hour ago
Too little too late.
basisword•about 2 hours ago
>> Alon Haimovich is leaving after an investigation into alleged unethical use of Azure by the Ministry of Defense, “Globes” has learned. Microsoft Israel has been placed under the management of Microsoft France.
Animats•about 1 hour ago
So Israel is switching to Google and Amazon. Hm.
localhoster•about 1 hour ago
I love reading on hacker news, but every once in a while I get reminded what detathed people there is here. You truly know shit about everything other than you see on your screens eh
deaux•about 1 hour ago
Lovely, but in character, to see a .co.il 403-block a broad swath of the world.
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computerex•about 1 hour ago
Okay, now I will be supporting Azure products and will try to bring them into my workplace over AWS/Google Cloud.
orochimaaru•about 1 hour ago
Why? Microsoft probably just hasn’t prioritized nimbus participation over their other construction work. They probably haven’t yet constructed the correct subsidiary structure or key sharing agreements that allow them to participate either.

Sooner or later they’ll participate. And then you would have moved your workload for no reason.

pnemonic•about 1 hour ago
I wouldn't be so sure. The departure of these guys only opens new room for less 'pro-ethics' corpos to replace them.
danudey•about 1 hour ago
The reason cited for this whole fiasco is that some of the Ministry of Defense's genocide work could be performed by servers in the EU, which could expose Microsoft to legal or regulatory issues.

It's not that Microsoft was against this, it's that Microsoft was against themselves getting in trouble for this with the EU.