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And I say this as somebody who just discovered agent orchestration and would absolutely love their limits to remain as they are.
Within my circles (mostly big enterprises), I see more and more of my friends using Claude, and spending money on it, so they must be getting some sort of value out of it. For my uses, I've also been successful with Claude Code, though someone else is paying for my tokens.
Basically, ongoing enshittification.
This makes sense.
Unfortunately the competition is nipping at their heels so there's a good chance this blows up in their faces.
The problem is that today's AI companies have taken on so much funding that a reasonable, not crazy profit ratio isn't enough for them.
Someone has to pay the 7 trillion (the current projections for the AI datacenter build up)
To me the bigger takeaway is that these business are seeing massive volume in use and figuring out how to price the products accordingly.
With volume enterprises can already negotiate lower token rates. I don’t see a boiling the frog situation.
I think its assumed in the LLM model business that the models themselves are not a good moat, the next model by another company is just as likely to be as good as the current model. So companies like Anthropic have to tighten the noose slowly to start recovering their costs. This appears to be one of those steps.
Uh, that’s a good thing
Anthropic will also fail when the competition is.. near-equivalent-capability DeepSeek/Qwen/Llama on a $1k GPU with a break-even of 5 months of subscription costs. The value is simply not there for what they would need to charge to become profitable.
Lol no. Chinese AIs are definitely not "near-equivalent-capability". The empirical proof is pretty obvious: how many people have you heard talking about using their codex/claude code subscription vs their z.ai or qwen subscription? Moreover even the Chinese models require epic amounts of GPUs to run the full version, eg. https://apxml.com/models/glm-51 needs 1515 GB to run, and that's with a measly 1024 token context. To get it to run on your "$1k GPU" you'd need to quantize it, making it even dumber.
If Anthropic actually cared about humans, they would have the best customer support (staffed by humans, for humans) and communications team (again, staffed by humans, for humans).
As both of these are actually on par with Silicon Valley standards (between medicore and atrociously bad), Anthropic cannot and should not be trusted with anything to do with AI, because whatever they do will not benefit humanity.
I know Anthropic support is slow from firsthand experience, but it has to be pretty difficult to scale support 10-80x per year. And even more so when you have a long-tail of very low revenue usage in the form of $20/month subscriptions.
I don't get it. None of the hyperscalers have human support teams at scale because it's obviously infeasible. Why, just because it would be nice, do we take leave of the requirement that something actually be possible before demanding it.
Are you picturing them running a lottery for who’s allowed to use it, or an auction?
And with the loss of scale economies, it would have to be much more expensive.
So you end up charging, what, $10,000/month and only making it available to the very wealthy?
I don’t see how this game plan is better for humans. And I’m honestly not being snarky. Have you thought through how your proposed limits would work? Am I missing something?
Very humanitarian
As a side note, how do you make up that billion user number? Claude has 10 million users.
I can imagine scaling may be difficult, but that should be a temporary problem.
LLMs are software there's no plausible way to stop them running locally.
The plausible way to do this is to force all software through some kind of signing process. This would be trivial for Apple to pull off and not much harder for Microsoft. On the Linux side, I expect the systemd folks would be happy to add some kind of signature checking to "head off the inevitable".
[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/1rek7ky/new_cal...
For some reason, people assume that mandatory age/identity verification on people's machines is primarily geared toward reporting across the network. If you wanted to age-restrict across the network, there are any number of trivial ways to do it that they have never even entertained. The reason that the first victims of this legislation are operating systems is because they, like Apple, Google, and Microsoft already have, want to restrict the software you can run.
They have to make sure that you can't have AI that can make pictures of naked children, or naked anything, or that might "underreport" the number of casualties in the Tienanmen Square protests, or could cast doubt on the vaccine (whichever vaccine), or say anything that could be interpreted as anti-Semitic (like that the Palestinians aren't savage animals), etc., etc....
This is already easy to get public support on, because in the same way they whipped up bizarre mind control allegations against genuinely evil social media companies to throw the public off the scent, the public is being groomed with absolutely bizarre and incoherent predictions of the evils of generative AI in order to throw them off the actual evils of the people behind generative AI. The same way that the anti-social media agitprop just resulted in TikTok being sold to explicit propagandists during a genocide and age attestation (as the social media giants do business without interruption), the "AI scaremongering" is just going to result in physical restrictions on individuals running AI - it will be tracked like explosives or nuclear material. The giant AI companies will be sold as the solution, just like closed platform software "stores" from Apple and Google are sold as consumer protection.
> When has that ever happened though?
Microsoft has to sign Linux so it can be installed under Secure Boot. Encryption was regulated as arms export, and is fully under attack again.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48125552
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48126281
I mean even on top of my head, I still remember when jose commented back to me and it was a highlight for a few days as I told my friend about it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44234633
> I have a fun anecdote. About 5-6 years ago, Elixir completely disappeared from the top 100 after spending some time in the top 50. People reached out to me and then I reached out to TIOBE to understand why and the reason given was "bad presence on Amazon".
> After further investigation, the root cause seemed to be that we finally had enough published Elixir books. At the time, if you searched for "xyz programming" on Amazon and only found a few results, Amazon would pad those results with non-relevant entries. However, because Elixir reached about 20-30 books, we were no longer padded, so we suddenly got worse rankings than every other language with only a handful of books. This happened on every Amazon domain they searched on, so it compounded and effectively kicked us out of the top 100 altogether. This all happened at a time Elixir language activity had already reached top 25 on GitHub PRs/stars.
So although my comment has gotten a little offtopic but people have literally written books about elixir (the language he created).
My point is, people like to listen to jose and he's a really chill guy from what I know of him and elixir feels like a great language :-D
Humans have left Twitter, its all propaganda and spam bots just spamming and propagandizing each other.
José Valim needs to move to either Bluesky (if he prefers to stay within the corporate ecosystem) or Mastodon (which is where the entirety of the FOSS universe went).
Personally, I am not particularly on X so much as much as I am on bluesky, and I would really appreciate Jose joining bluesky.
But at the end of the day, I might take critique with the idea of needs
Nobody needs to do anything. It's his freedom and I just searched and Jose is literally on bsky: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:6h6jhmuogujxac24oilywd45 but his account is inactive since last message of 11 months ago.
So I think that he's open to new platforms and old habits die hard perhaps. I don't wish to defend X because I don't particularly like it, but being honest, it is what it is.
> Humans have left Twitter, its all propaganda and spam bots just spamming and propagandizing each other.
Can't say about all but I can indeed confirm that when I tried to make a new account and post something, I was literally recommended tweets basically saying "like this tweet/follow us to get 1000 followers or buy these followers" when I had posted a video for an product.