You Don't Align an AI, You Align with It

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jackbravo•about 2 hours ago

Hearing about aligning with the AI reminds me of this other post about the current prophecies about AI: “Everyone will have an AI assistant,” or “Companies that fail to adopt AI will be eliminated.” and that

> the power of prophecy lies not in accurately predicting the future, but in shaping it

https://projectlibertynewsletter.substack.com/p/reject-ai-pr...

We need better prophecies.

moffkalast•5 minutes ago

Everyone will have an AI assistant! The models will be open and free because of overwhelming competition and they will run on cheap local ASIC accelerators that use little power and fit in the palm of your hand!

(I am being proactive here, xd)

tinfoilhatter•about 1 hour ago

Most of the people pushing these technologies (A.I., brain chip interfaces, cybernetics, etc...) are Luciferians and transhumanists. Lucifer thought he could do better than God, and many of these crazy people working on, and pushing AI so hard believe they can do the same. Sam Alt-man, (the alternate man) being one of the most obvious given some of the things he's publicly said.

https://time.com/archive/6595274/2045-the-year-man-becomes-i...

edit: Apparently I've made the HN Luciferian crowd quite angry.

ArekDymalski•14 minutes ago

I am pretty sure that Altman is just a German version of Oldman. Sorry about ruining your intricate theory :)

tinfoilhatter•7 minutes ago

I'm confident that anyone who talks about replacing humans with machines, subscribes to the beliefs of Nick Land / Curtis Yarvin / Ray Kurzweil and laughs while making comments about AI destroying humanity is a Luciferian regardless of the origin of their last name :)

bpavuk•about 1 hour ago

the username checks out.

now let's approach this seriously:

> Most of the people pushing [...] are Luciferians and transhumanists.

transhumanists - yes. Luciferians - this definition is a lot more broad, branched, and complex. one transhumanist is hell-bent on Christianity (or at least seems to be; also pun intended) and most others have an atheistic position.

> Lucifer thought he could do better than God, and many of these crazy people working on, and pushing AI so hard believe they can do the same.

that's as far as similarities go, the rest is the usual atheist scientific-method-believing behavior HEAVILY smeared with a bias to their own interests.

> Sam Alt-man, (the alternate man)

funny coincidence, innit? :)

tinfoilhatter•40 minutes ago

> the username checks out.

Very original.

> transhumanists - yes. Luciferians - this definition is a lot more broad, branched, and complex. one transhumanist is hell-bent on Christianity (or at least seems to be; also pun intended) and most others have an atheistic position.

Which transhumanist is hell-bent on Christianity? If you're approaching this seriously then provide names please. There have been plenty of Luciferians that have posed as atheists throughout time and space. Also, there is atheistic Luciferianism, just like there is atheistic Satanism.

> funny coincidence, innit? :)

There is no such thing as coincidence.

moate•11 minutes ago

IDK why I'm helping with the Trashcan Man, but it's been a weird day...

>>Most of the people pushing these technologies (A.I., brain chip interfaces, cybernetics, etc...) are Luciferians and transhumanists.

I think you can eliminate the word "most" when you say that the people who push brain chip interfaces/cybernetics are transhumanists. That's literally the definition of transhumanism. Just from a grammatical sense, this is akin to saying "most people who exist are human"

whateveracct•29 minutes ago

they are a deeply nihilistic bunch

Animats•about 1 hour ago

"As human beings are also animals, to manage one million animals gives me a headache." Terry Gou, former CEO of Foxconn. He wanted to use far more robots at Foxconn, but that was a decade ago and the technology didn't work well enough yet. It's a lot closer now, and the robot headcount in China is way up.

That's the real issue. To corporations, employees are a headache. The fewer employees, the better.

GolfPopper•16 minutes ago

Corporations are tired of running on messy biological human substrate. The sooner they can move entirely to steel and silicon, the happier they'll be.

Just look up the classic story on the interaction of civilization and corporate growth, At the Mountains of Madness for how that goes.

addedGone•37 minutes ago

It's not only "to corporations", if you ever had service in your own home, you'd see that it's also a headache to have to deal with anyone.

arjie•22 minutes ago

Technologiae mutantur et nos mutamur in illis

It's okay to change. We've done it for years, decades, centuries, and millennia and the default change-aversion of people means that I am averse to allowing a universal veto. Much of technology is truly optional. The Amish have a very successful way of living (5000 to 500,000 in 100 years) and they eschew most modern technology. The sculpting described is clearly optional and we subject ourselves to it because we desire it. Their path is always available to all.

economistbob•39 minutes ago

Economics analysis was wrong for years in multiple place thanks to an error in one of Piketty's spreadsheets.

AI hallucinates. That is a fact. Trusting language models to fill spreadsheet cells ought to be an arrestable offense.

https://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/on-piketty-and-...

overgard•8 minutes ago

When it comes to LLMs and frontier models, "alignment" seems more marketing than anything. The doomers are marketing LLMs by making them sound much more capable than they actually are, the accelerationists are mostly either willfully ignorant of the societal costs, don't care, or are just way too optimistic that fast growth can continue forever and generate AGI ("my baby's weight doubled twice in the past month! By the time they're 18 they'll be 10 trillion pounds!")

redanddead•about 2 hours ago

Love the writing style and perspective

Supermancho•about 1 hour ago

I dont appreciate using quotes from individuals to extrapolate to groups and ethos.

jakelazaroff•about 1 hour ago

The author isn't taking an individual quote and extrapolating to a group/ethos, he's observing a group/ethos and choosing a broadly representative quote therefrom.

Joker_vD•27 minutes ago

"No, he's observing individuals from a group/ethnos and then extrapolating their quotes to the whole of the group/ethnos. You shall not extrapolate when dealing with people, you know."