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So so perhaps we should be excluding American companies at this time, but in the name of competition and openness, we should allow bids from our real allies, such as the Europeans or the Asians.
The kind of people running these companies don't have true allegiance to anything but their own objectives. If necessary, they'd move all operations to Europe or East Asia in a month, and you'd have "Palantir 2" under a different name with no better ethics or privacy.
Increased emphasis has to be on running things domestically with on-premises hardware. As long as the vendor is elsewhere and not subject to oversight, the risks remain.
https://www.engadget.com/big-tech/palantir-posted-a-manifest...
https://www.newsweek.com/us-draft-update-major-tech-company-...
France, Germany, Spain, and Britain have or are in the process of disassociating from them.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/16/france-ai-data...
https://www.dw.com/en/german-intelligence-offices-snub-us-ba...
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/andy-burnham-drop-spy-tec...
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spain-tells-state-backed-fir...
Why would anyone in their right minds do business with a company like that?
Are they making any preparations for war, at all, that they weren't also doing in 2021?
Government to tightly regulate and oversee itself, I perceive.
> Democratic nations have power over their government but not over corporations.
Democratic governments and corporations have been around about as many centuries, and both have long ago perfected techniques to make sure the people have no direct power over either of them, often in tandem. That said, it seems remarkable that you're less anxious about the partner in this age-old dance that has the warplanes and myriads of armed enforcers.
I also think any form of platform AI usage to be a national security threat in the absence of stringent controls over that data and the platform. At some point I think governments and companies will wake up to this and demand local LLMs or, in the very least, a cloud platform within their jurisdiction, ownership and control.
The 1980s and 1990s ushered in this idea of "small government", privatization and public-private partnerships that I think was a huge mistake with catastrophic consequences. It's simply letting the foxes into the hen house. It leads to regulatory capture, a revolving door and a massive government-to-private wealth transfer.
What's funny is that a lot of this stems from a now throughly debunked idea of the "tragedy of the commons" [1].
[1]: https://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/2015/03...
If you're idealogically opposed to Palantir, how will a home-grown Palantir help? It would likely do the same things Palantir does but with a Canadian Alex Karp
Neither are great, but one is worse.
For example in some power utility companies, to install few auxiliary sensors to monitor xyz only in a pilot project is a 3 years work.. upgrading old 3G modems is done in stages over years just not to interrupt the operations, and all of these are terminal devices, not core or servers where a tiny mistake in that foundation migration will send the city into dark ages.
America tries that for valid reasons (unfair subsidies, human or labor rights violations, BYD): get called fascist or stupid
America tries that for stupid xenophobic reasons, gets called stupid or xenophobic.
You as canada have only two options:
1) use closed sourced systems
2) use chinese models, with their own risks
3) hardware, i think it's clear.
Cohere is not even in the list of top competitors .
Any competent developer already immediately flees to the US to triple their take-home pay at first chance and Canadian employers are fully aware of this.
Lots do move to the US too, but it's a filter for ambition, not competence. Don't confuse the two.
For the ones who haven't watched this amazing show, here is a small Google AI summary:
Samaritan is the primary antagonist of the later seasons of the sci-fi series Person of Interest. It is a fictional, totalitarian artificial superintelligence created by Arthur Claypool. Unlike its counterpart, the Machine, Samaritan has no moral constraints, viewing human free will as a flaw requiring aggressive control and mass surveillance