Tiny data centre used to heat public swimming pool

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dn3500•about 2 hours ago

What a useless article! I found some actual information here:

https://www.techspot.com/news/97995-data-center-uses-waste-h...

The "data center" produces about 28 kW of heat and the swimming pool has cut its gas bill by 62%. They are saving US$24,000 per year.

alexpotato•about 1 hour ago

I don't know about in swimming centers in England but I do know YMCAs in the US often have budgets that look like:

- Revenue: $25.01M

- Expenses: $25M

So "small savings" like this can add up for them.

appplication•about 1 hour ago

This is mostly just due to how nonprofits work. If you have excess revenue, you can’t return it to shareholders so you might as well spend it on mission-oriented activities.

pocksuppet•37 minutes ago

You can, and should, keep it in case you have less revenue next year though.

swiftcoder•24 minutes ago

> They are saving US$24,000 per year.

Keeping in mind that the datacenter operator is also paying the power bill for that (which presumably is roughly 28 kW), amounting to something like £65,000/year at current UK rates

cm2012•about 2 hours ago

All data centers that are in controversial areas should offer free heated swimming pools for the neighborhood. You could add a giant pool complex as a percentage or two of the cost of a big data center.

kobalsky•about 1 hour ago

and AI deniers were saying we were gonna get boiled like frogs, instead we got free heated swimming pools, wait a minute ...

21asdffdsa12•11 minutes ago

Have some free garlic butter cube - and some congnac to cool down.. its on the house.. truffles?

victorbjorklund•about 1 hour ago

I feel like this is one of those things that sounds good, but it's not. It's probably cheaper to build it far away from residential areas, and it's probably better for the people living there to not live too close to a data center.

gigatree•39 minutes ago

Why, is there some hidden downside to living by a data center? Northern VA real estate is super pricey but they’ve got tons of them

pocksuppet•36 minutes ago

The new ones are being built with massive numbers of unpermitted gas turbines with the exhaust filters removed, because there's not enough electricity and there isn't enough grid power and exhaust filtering costs money. So they're giving entire nearby towns asthma. They're also so loud the whole town can't sleep. Data centers were, and still can be, one of the cleanest industries - but the ones being built in this AI wave are not.

1234letshaveatw•38 minutes ago

why must we tear up undeveloped areas for data centers instead of backfilling vacant industrial areas? Humanity will never rest until all of the world is a brownfield

SoftTalker•30 minutes ago

It's cheaper to build on vacant land than to get construction equipment and materials into a built up area, possibly discovering underground tanks and other surprises that can inflate the project cost, etc. City ordinances may also limit work hours and/or noise.

Rural land is cheap and there are fewer neighbors to annoy with the 24/7 construction activity.

chasd00•25 minutes ago

The current NIMBY trend with respect to DCs guarantees it.

gruez•about 1 hour ago

Surely it's just cheaper to build further away from residential areas? For this to work you'd need to be close to residential areas, but that's where you get the most NIMBY opposition. And if the datacenter is in the middle of some industrial park, who would want to drive 30 minutes to an industrial park to have a swim?

macNchz•about 1 hour ago

An outdoor heated pool that’s open all winter in a cold climate would be a destination worth a drive. A rather decadent use of energy otherwise, it’d be a good use for waste heat. There’s prior art in the Blue Lagoon in Iceland, a destination spa that uses water from a geothermal power plant.

fmbb•about 1 hour ago

The Blue Lagoon is more like using waste cold than waste heat.

lvspiff•about 1 hour ago

The best waterparks in Tucson, AZ were on the outskirts of the city and worked great as a place to "travel" to for the parents as the kids would be wiped out on the way back. Breakers....Justins....how i miss those days of running around on hot pavement or gravel in bare feat only to also step on some cactus...

chasd00•22 minutes ago

Hah yeah if you, as a parent, can survive a day at the water park in the sun then you’re all set for some quiet time when you get home. Waterparks zap kids and they pass out cold in the car as soon as the doors close. Same goes for the beach.

vidarh•about 1 hour ago

The last place I lived, the nearest data centre was a few hundred meters from the local swimming pool, in a business park. Most people would never have known the data centre was there.

Elsewhere, e.g. in London, Docklands is both full of high density data centres and high-end residential buildings and offices that could certain use the waste heat in winter at least.

Most of the data centres there just looks like office buildings on the outside, and most residents won't know they are there.

bee_rider•about 1 hour ago

Rather than pools specifically, maybe they could design District Heating systems.

bryanrasmussen•about 1 hour ago

I was thinking more like if they externalized the heat release of the data centers enough they might even be able to heat the whole globe!

pletnes•43 minutes ago

Most of the globe is above the boiling temperature of water due to trapped radionuclides since, well, the beginning.

bojangleslover•about 2 hours ago

This is an unironically good idea

cyanydeez•about 2 hours ago

unfortunately, it's like saying all billionaires should let people swim in their pools when they're away.

amelius•about 1 hour ago

also not a bad idea

doron•about 1 hour ago

All data centers that are in controversial areas should subsidize the electric bill of residents within the county affected

erelong•34 minutes ago

free sauna

free hot tub

free publicity and good will gathered

("free")

fghorow•11 minutes ago

District heating is a mature technology. Direct Use geothermal heat is the one I am personally most familiar with -- as a geophysicist. However "waste" heat utilization is a definite thing for people with mechanical engineering/heat and mass transfer training.

(Edited to add: there are several examples of public swimming pools being heated with Low T geothermal heat in the Perth metropolitan region of Western Australia.)

ano-ther•31 minutes ago

Here is a Swiss one that heats 6,000 apartments.

https://d4project.org/

> The data center delivers up to 1.7 MW of reusable heat – enough enough to warm 6,000 energy-efficient homes in winter or provide 20,000 five-minute showers every day in summer.

https://blog.siemens.com/2026/05/sustainable-data-infomaniak...

https://news.infomaniak.com/en/infomaniak-inaugurates-a-revo...

sjs382•44 minutes ago

LinusTechTips did this at home. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-4JJbk3ZS0

hnburnsy•20 minutes ago

France did one better...

Paris 2024: Excess Data Center Heat Used to Warm Olympic Swimming Pools

https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/sustainability/paris-202...

9dev•about 2 hours ago

Something I have been wondering: Why don't data centres use the excess heat for a sort of energy recuperation, turning at least some of it back into electricity?

newpavlov•about 2 hours ago

Because it's not economical, the required hardware is unlikely to pay for itself during its lifetime. The gradient is too small (~50C), which means low Carnot efficiency. Additionally, extraction of low-enthalpy energy involves obstruction of heat transfer, meaning lower cooling efficiency. It may have been a different story if we had computer hardware able to efficiently operate at 200-300C.

Even steel plants which deal with significantly higher waste heat gradients rarely bother with recovering energy.

wffurr•about 2 hours ago

It's not anywhere near hot enough to generate steam and make electricity.

There are uses for low grade heat but they require colocation and careful design, which costs more than just dumping the heat.

cyberax•about 1 hour ago

It actually is, just not water steam. There's a hot springs resort in Alaska that uses pentane (boiling point 38C) to generate energy. The efficiency is terrible, of course.

fghorow•16 minutes ago

True. Chena Hot Springs [1]. They are famous in the "direct use" geothermal community.

A lot of the thermal energy is not used for electrical generation. Although a small portion actually is -- made possible by the \Delta T rejecting heat at a low annual average atmospheric T.

Most of the rest of the heat is used to run an absorption chiller to maintain the ice "palace" in the summer.

(This info might be slightly outdated. It was true about 2018 or thereabouts when I met the owner of the resort at a geothermal conference.)

[1] <https://www.chenahotsprings.com/>.

muvlon•about 1 hour ago

The concept of waste-heat-to-power (WHP) exists, but its efficiency is limited by thermodynamics. Basically, heat energy is not equal to usable energy. All energy ultimately wants to be heat energy, and it is much easier and more efficient to go from electrical or mechanical energy to heat than vice-versa. Therefore, when you do have an application that actually wants heat, not electricity, such as a public swimming pool or district heating, it is way more efficient to use your waste heat as heat. Even in cases where the desired temperature is wildly different from that of your waste heat, you can convert one heat level into another very efficiently using heat pumps.

snarf21•about 1 hour ago

Undecided just did an episode on a waste heat machine that is being slowly rolled out to industry. The founder of the company is also the guy who invented the Super Soaker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuQRxatte5g

pocksuppet•35 minutes ago

Carnot's law of thermodynamics says you can only do this effectively if you can run the computers at a few hundred, or ideally thousand, degrees C.

Landauer's principle says that even if we could build computers to work at those temperatures, they'd need more power anyway.

alnwlsn•about 1 hour ago

Look up Carnot efficiency. The maximum amount of work you can theoretically extract depends only on a temperature difference. For a datacenter running chips at 100C into ambient air at 60F, it's about 25%. So even with perfect capture, you are guaranteed to lose 3/4 of your input energy to the datacenter as heat anyway.

For comparison, an IC engine has a Carnot efficiency of something like 80% on paper, but the reality you get is only 20-30%

breitling•about 2 hours ago

I saw on TV a long time ago that a funeral home's "energy" (burning bodies) was used to heat homes somewhere in Europe.

We can just use data centers for heating too...maybe turn around all these protests against them

9dev•about 2 hours ago

There's lots of district heating in Germany for example, but it's usually fed from either big heat pumps, bio mass plants, or heat from waste incineration plants. There's no reason to not use excess heat from data centres too - I'm pretty sure I read that already being done in several places.

But in some cases, a data centre might be too remotely located, or the infrastructure is too lacking to make it economically feasible, which still leaves me wondering why you couldn't try to recuperate at least some of it as electricity on-site...

Symbiote•about 2 hours ago

> I'm pretty sure I read that already being done in several places.

Presumably you read this very recently, since it's mentioned at the end of the article.

SilasX•about 2 hours ago

Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri: "It is every citizen's final duty to go into the tanks, and become one with all the people."

gruez•about 2 hours ago

Doesn't "tanks" imply some sort of composting operation, rather than burning bodies?

josefritzishere•about 2 hours ago

If wishes were fishes.

IshKebab•about 1 hour ago

The degree to which you can extract energy from heat depends on the temperature difference compared to ambient. Efficient power stations all need super heated steam (like 600C). This would be like 100C max which is not very useful for generating electricity. It's fine for heating houses and swimming pools though.

designerarvid•about 1 hour ago

In my home town the local steel plant has been connected to the district heating systems for half a century. This is extremely mature technology and widely used in parts of the world where heating homes is more important than cooling them.

hahn-kev•about 1 hour ago

> The heat generated by a washing-machine-sized data centre is being used to heat a Devon public swimming pool.

You mean server.

hkt•31 minutes ago

Eyeballing my washing machine leads me to believe they have a quarter rack or so.

matheusmoreira•about 2 hours ago

Is it feasible to do this at smaller scales? Would be cool to use my compurers to heat water at home. Put all that useless heat to good use.

Air conditioners could do it too, right? Pump heat into a water reservoir instead of just throwing it away?

arscan•44 minutes ago

Linus Tech Talk (LTT) did a whole series on doing this on the pool at the channel hosts’ house. Extravagant home upgrades are a frequent topic on that YouTube channel… business expense write off yada yada. My general takeaway was, yikes, all that piping and infrastructure would be a nightmare to maintain and will likely just be closed off whenever an issue comes up (or he sells). I’m no expert, but I am a home owner, and have come to form a deep appreciation for maintaining simplicity when it comes to the operation of your house.

RulerOf•about 1 hour ago

I have a pool heater and an air conditioner, and I'm running both at the same time. They're fifty feet apart, but this thought crosses my mind constantly.

alexpotato•about 1 hour ago

This does exist btw.

It's a stainless steel coil that you can put on your A/C and then run water from your pool over it to heat the pool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7fB8ul9dZw

ryukoposting•31 minutes ago

The sticker on the side of the doohickey in the video really gives the whole thing a feeling of "a dude makes these by hand in his garage." I looked up "AC pool heat exchanger" and lo and behold, the same company showed up as the first result:

https://www.hotspotenergy.com/titanium-pool-heat-exchangers/

swiftcoder•20 minutes ago

> Is it feasible to do this at smaller scales?

You need a lot of heat to do anything useful. I would need to run something like 14 kW of servers to heat my home through winter - that's a couple of hundred thousand in hardware at current prices.

meindnoch•37 minutes ago

>Air conditioners could do it too, right?

Some heat pumps do this. E.g. Panasonic Aquarea EcoFleX. When cooling the house, the domestic hot water tank is used to dump heat into (up to a certain temperature).

SoftTalker•24 minutes ago

Years ago I worked at a fast-food restaurant and they used all the heat from their ice makers to pre-heat water for washing up.

thomas-skowron•about 1 hour ago

I have connected the radiator of my homeserver liquid cooling setup to the heat exchanger of my hot water heat pump. Not sure how efficient it is, but I get a measurable drop in CPU temperatures while the heat pump runs.

newpavlov•about 2 hours ago

Some people use cryptocurrency miners to heat their homes. It's certainly better than dumb resistive heating, but depending on various conditions it can cost more than installing a heat pump.

matheusmoreira•about 2 hours ago

A dedicated heat pump would be cheaper if we consider heating to be the device's primary purpose. The idea is the computers are doing all sorts of useful things, and the heat is just a free byproduct of that activity.

hkt•30 minutes ago

heata.co do precisely this with hot water tanks

(I work there)

sschueller•about 2 hours ago

Providing remote heat is a common thing in Switzerland[1]. Just like Waste valorisation plants[2] that additionally produce electricity.

[1] https://www.computerwoche.de/article/2690747/rechenzentrum-h...

[2] https://stefan.schueller.net/posts/kva-winterthur/

fjni•about 2 hours ago

Bathhouse in New York wrote about this. Not sure they still do it to this day.

https://help.abathhouse.com/hc/en-us/articles/16748674443924...

teeray•about 2 hours ago

> Start-up Deep Green charges clients to use its computing power for artificial intelligence and machine learning.

What about running the compute workloads of the municipality instead?

avianlyric•about 1 hour ago

I doubt the municipality needs 28kW of GPU compute, and certainly not at the prices someone like Deep Green is going to be charging.

khurs•43 minutes ago

The date of the article is 2023.

Schlagbohrer•about 1 hour ago

> "Sean Day, who runs the leisure centre, said he had been expecting its energy bills to rise by £100,000 this year.

"The partnership has really helped us reduce the costs of what has been astronomical over the last 12 months - our energy prices and gas prices have gone through the roof," he said.

...

Last summer, BBC News revealed 65 swimming pools had closed since 2019, with rising energy costs cited as a significant reason."

That's terrible that pools are closing. No one even builds new public swimming pools anymore, so it's awful to close the few that exist.

theodric•about 2 hours ago

Equinix AM3 provides heat to the Amsterdam Science Park.

Undisclosed large Swiss private corporate datacenter provides heat to residential complexes in the surrounding area, as well as being integrated with the grid operator and required to spin up generators and island itself on demand, as part of the license to operate.

Many such cases!

stavros•about 2 hours ago

I don't understand how a server (the "washing-machine-sized datacenter") can heat up any fraction of a swimming pool appreciably. Wouldn't it be a few kW tops?

swiftcoder•12 minutes ago

You can fit, according to Nvidia, ~40 H100 GPUs in a 16U rack. That's 40 kW of power draw (and heat!) in roughly the space of a washing machine

chippiewill•about 2 hours ago

Pre-GPU times you'd be right, but these days a 4U server could have 8 GPUs pulling 350+ watts each. A washing machine sized unit could contain perhaps 4 of these 4U servers so the unit as a whole could be drawing upwards of 11kW.

sushibowl•about 2 hours ago

This washing machine sized box draws 50kW of power. It wouldn't be able to heat up a cold swimming pool very much, but it would be enough to keep a pool that's already hot at a stable temperature.

chucksta•about 2 hours ago

No expert but I would think an indoor pool in a temperature controlled environment would control for a lot of heat loss from the water.

driverdan•about 2 hours ago

GPU power density is very high. The B300, for example, is rated at 1400W TDP. You can fit a lot of B300s in the space of a washing machine.

gravel7623•about 2 hours ago

And more importantly, once the pool is warm enough (or in a very hot day), doesn't it lose its cooling efficiency?