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mindwokβ€’about 1 hour ago
Gotta be honest, almost every "how to use AI" resource seems pointless to me. I'm either going to ask the AI how to do it, or if it's about using the AI then we can just bake it into the harness or wait for Anthropic/OpenAI to do it for me because they're always trivial.

All of these resources on agentic workflows, managing agent memory, harness engineering, etc. appear to just be theatre to me.

cloakandswaggerβ€’9 minutes ago
Remember in 2023 when people thought "prompt engineering" would be the new software engineering and invested tons of time into learning CoT, ReAct, thread-of-thoughts, etc?

Those were mostly obviated by reasoning models and harness updates by 2024.

It seems pointless to invest energy into the latest/greatest AI technique or framework when they're going to either be absorbed or replaced on a 3 month cycle.

deepfriedbitsβ€’about 1 hour ago
Not only that, but all of this tooling around models has such a short shelf life as the models themselves grow in capabilities, they absorb the tooling. We've already seen it over and over again.
oggreenβ€’19 minutes ago
Thanks for saying the quiet part out loud. Everytime I do a demo it seems like a waste of time compared to just actually building.

Unless I'm doing something super complicated even taking time to set things up like subagents, etc. seems like a waste compared to just building.

The only things that really seem beneficial (for Claude Code) seems to be learning to set up loops, memory and finding relevant MCP servers.

john___matrixβ€’41 minutes ago
This is how I've gone about it with my Shopify site.

I appreciate there may be more efficient ways to do things if you're an actual developer or engineer but I'm not and the tools I've been able to build so far have been both fun to make and add value to our workflow as a small 2 person ecommerce business.

I do at least have a background in web as a designer for many years and having worked with developers I can at least spec and understand how a product might work which is one thing Claude/AI isn't hugely helpful with and often it's the testing and QA phase as always where the problems and shortcomings expose themselves.

NooneAtAll3β€’25 minutes ago
if you know how to ask Ai about how to use Ai, you already know how to use Ai

the point of guides is to provide assurance for people unfamiliar to the process in the first place

mindwokβ€’9 minutes ago
If the bar is knowing how to type a question into a box, I'm confident almost everyone is better off starting with that then reading a "cookbook" that starts with installing python packages.
gherkinnnβ€’16 minutes ago
motbus3β€’32 minutes ago
After all this effort of not opening the models, then trying to forbid people to use open models and all the rubbish their CEO keeps talking about common people I am done with Anthropic.

I can't use it on good faith Same goes for grok, chat gpt and others all involved in killing people and monopolising the market.

bekleinβ€’about 2 hours ago
Thanks! I also like the OpenAI Cookbook: https://developers.openai.com/cookbook

Other AI labs also tend to publish examples and cookbooks on GitHub and Hugging Face, so it's always worth keeping an eye on those as well.

AntiqueFigβ€’about 2 hours ago
I thought it would be a litteral cookbook on how to make plausible/feasible recipes with LLMs (we're not here yet sadly).
svaraβ€’about 1 hour ago
Somehow all the with/without cookbook design examples look vibe coded on both sides to me.

I'm not enough of a designer to be able to point exactly at what makes it so, but Claude does seem to have a somewhat limited repertoire of styles.

Maybe if you could point more precisely at the required changes, you could discourage it?

merrvkβ€’about 1 hour ago
They could have done at least one pass on the UI. Can't even get simple table spacing right
winterbourneβ€’about 2 hours ago
Recipes like this get baked into the next iteration of a model.
behnamohβ€’about 1 hour ago
So like OpenAI's Cookbook which has existed for years and no one reads?
simonwβ€’19 minutes ago
weird-eye-issueβ€’17 minutes ago
Have you ever thought that just because you don't read something doesn't mean that nobody reads it?
int_xβ€’about 2 hours ago
They really have nothing else to publish lmao.