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Which is an intentional strategy to repeal social programs that they’d never get the votes to do so via legislation
In practice though tax cuts usually make rich richer without helping the economy to grow (because of lobbying/corruption).
Here is some absurd garbage your US taxes paid for:
•$1.5 Million studying the effects of yoga on goats
•$1.7 billion maintaining empty buildings
•$5 million on a campaign to promote an alternative music scene to get hipsters to stop smoking
•$2 million to create an internship program that resulted in the hiring of one full-time employee at the Department of agriculture
•In 2021 alone, the government managed to misplace $281 billion in payments
•$1 million studying the effects of music on dairy cows
•$1.7 million to study the effects of alcohol on fish
It could be a very messy bubble if/when it collapses, and I think our way out at this point would have to be AI-driven productivity gains. Hopefully Altman's little wish-granting machine ends up being accurate.
> Basically, America has an economy that is buoyed by AI development and infrastructure spending right now but is poised to pop and the national debt has been ballooned by two to three generations of political leadership failing to properly address underlying issues and instead printing money.
Maybe we shouldn't have spent five decades giving the wealthy tax break after tax break while hollowing out the middle class and suppressing wages with union busting and globalization. Productivity is up ~90% over this time frame, and most of the gains have gone to the top 1%. But here we are. The bill has come due for strip mining the country economically, and taxes will go up to pay down this debt (because only the top ~40% of income earners have enough income to have a federal tax liability). We will fix this eventually through demographic compression (economic growth comes, broadly speaking, from population growth and the US has reached peak population; forward growth will be substantially lower than the past when the population was growing rapidly), politics, and the bond market forcing the US government to raise taxes (“bond vigilantes”).
it won't be the wealthy or cash-under-the-table classes paying these taxes, the increases will be in the income brackets. Which means paycheck receiving working stiffs ( middle and upper-middle class ) and retierees drawing from a 401k/IRA are the ones who will pay just like always.
Hell, between PPP and the OBBB tax cuts, rich people are getting $2T over from the YS Governemnt from 2020-2030. It’ll keep happening too, this country is an oligarchy now. Wish it wouldn’t but I don’t see a sea change coming, just further concentration of wealth and power.
Past performance is not a predictor of future returns.
It's the old saying, if you owe the bank $1,000 then you have a problem. But if you owe the bank a trillion dollars then the bank has a problem.
Especially when that trillion dollars was spent on an insane fleet of aircraft carriers.
The reality is that purposefully inflating your currency to reduce your debt burden is going to upset your creditors just as much as if you just defaulted on your debts, but will have the added affect of crippling your economy with inflation. Look at how much Americans freaked out over a year or two of 6% yearly inflation. How do you think Americans would respond to 30% *monthly* inflation like in Argentina or Turkey?
It's not like lenders won't notice if the USA tried to print its way out of debt.
For historical context, this is exactly what happened when the US was on the brink of leaving the gold standard.
> From 1963 to 1966, France secretly implemented Operation Vide-Gousset to repatriate 3,313 tons of gold reserves from the Bank of England and the New York Federal Reserve. It took over 44 boat trips and 129 flights to export the gold back to the Banque de France. Since France converted its dollar holdings into gold, the French made out well when the dollar fell during the Bretton Woods period and lost 96% of its value against gold. France then withdrew from the London Gold Pool in 1966 after recovering its gold holdings to force the US to endure heavier losses.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/markets-by-sector/preciou...
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm751
It makes more sense to conceptualise it as the total size of a giant savings account run by the government.
We are walking further out on the ice but that is measured more in other ways - with harder metrics like inflation, access to cheap energy, resources, industrial density and capabilities and access to technology - not this headline number.
[1] - https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A180RC1A027NBEA
That is, suppose two countries both have $100B in debt. One of them is a small island nation; the other is a global superpower. Obviously the global superpower will be better able to handle that - dividing by GDP helps make that clear.
However, this simple division doesn't tell you some important things. How much of the debt comes due very soon? It's worse if the answer is "most of it." How was it incurred? "Winning a war" is much better than "losing a war."
The United States has lots of debt, and personally I'm worried about the long term serviceability of it. But the ratio to GDP isn't why!
The problem is if nobody wants to buy new bonds, of course.
You guys are too powerful.
There's a LOT of reasons for them to not want to do that, and the status quo benefits a lot of other powerful players as well, but screwing up treasuries would be a quick way to change that math.
One can get away with being an asshole only so long.
And that's not a problem that's solvable with military might! "Investors around the world are declining to buy US government bonds" can't be bombed the way an oil refinery can be.
And what about the American public? Look at how much Americans freaked out over a year or two of 6% yearly inflation. How do you think Americans would respond to 30% monthly inflation like in Argentina or Turkey?
On the contrary, trivial amounts of money with usury can ruin you financially.
Sounds like a great idea, right? But what if something out of your control[1] happens, and average interest rates on the debt burden go up from 2% to 14%? The USA can't afford to just pay off all of its debts. It must continuallly roll over it's old debts to new debts, and could easily find itself in a situation where debt servicing costs go up by an order of magnitude if the fiscal situation changes for long enough.
[1] Or in the case of the United States, you do something very stupid and very inside of your control
This bad boy can hold a LOT of debt.
Applies only if you are the reserve currency, label everyone else who don't use your currency the way you want it as currency manipulators and you can take whatever debt you want because well the printer can pay everything back in the future.
And I say that as an absolute hater of how the pols run the place (yes both sides. One for having no sense of how to manage money and the other having some sense but ignoring it; one of these is objectively worse than the other (yep, I said it, objectively!)).
Seems like the end goal is not to have a country left but instead a bunch of factions more likely to be at war fighting over cash, resources and culture issues. Depressing as fuck for those of us not excited about that end goal.
It is the ultimate tragedy of the commons.
Countries put up with it because the US "provided protection" and insured maritime freedom of navigation. Oh wait ...
123% comparatively speaking isn't great, but it's not shockingly terrible.
None of this will get solved until a crisis
> US 30-year Treasury yields just hit 5.2% — the highest level since July 2007. UK gilt yields are at levels not seen since 1998. Japanese bond yields are at record highs. Something is happening in global bond markets, and it's not just about inflation. In this video I explain what's driving the global rise in long-term borrowing costs, why the era of free money is probably over, and what fiscal dominance means for central bank independence. I cover the history of US presidents fighting with the Federal Reserve — including LBJ shoving his Fed Chair against a wall — the 1970s UK economic collapse, the Liz Truss mini-budget crisis, the role of private credit and off-balance-sheet SPVs in financing the AI boom, and what all of this means for the new Federal Reserve Chair Kevin Warsh.
And that's excluding the huge amount of multi tiered private credit.
While this is not an indication of anything bad on its own it definitely creates the conditions for cataclysms.
It's like being on a very very dry hay field, it does not mean that you're bound to die on fire, it just means that the risks of a fire being extremely destructive are high.
It appeared to drop from the 2020 highs, yes.
But it's definitely trending upward.
If you're not - this is the 10th worst ratio in the world. The only countries worse are: Venezuela, Japan, Sudan, Singapore, Eritrea, Bahrain, Greece, Lebanon, and Italy. The difference has historically been that we've been able to exploit the dollar, export our inflation, and so on - but those times are fading.
...Actually I have an NFT of some beachfront property.
The "masses" are well aware of crypto at this point and BTC is down 47% over this past year. It's just not that useful unless you're trying to skirt laws/regulations[1] or LARPing as a sovereign citizen.
1: Yes, I know, BTC is not even good pick for financial crimes either.
It's too late for my kids but if i'm ever lucky enough to have grandkids part of their bday and Christmas gifts will be deposits.