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Discussion (14 Comments)Read Original on HackerNews

flufluflufluffyβ€’about 1 hour ago
> And because Bonsai is written in OCaml, it becomes possible to use the same language and types on both the backend and frontend.

Finally! I was waiting for this to become possible!

philipwhiukβ€’9 minutes ago
Similar attempts include Scalajs.

The general challenge becomes integrating the fractional front-end code written in your backend-language that compiles to JS with the rest of the JS ecosystem.

JaneStreet have a love of writing their own stuff from scratch so it doesn't apply to them but it might to you.

Hence most people end up with frontend-as-backend rather than backend-as-frontend.

gigatexalβ€’9 minutes ago
All your money and retirement funds are safe; I’m too dumb to work at JaneStreet; every time I see OCAML I feel less than and confused.
xvilkaβ€’about 2 hours ago
Looks like it's Web-only, no mention of the native UI support (terminal UI excluded).
avsmβ€’about 1 hour ago
There's a full terminal implementation of Bonsai as well. I actually use it in my personal workflow these days to manage my contacts database! https://anil.recoil.org/notes/aoah-2025-9
bobjansenβ€’about 1 hour ago
This would of been cool back in 2014.
kubbβ€’about 1 hour ago
I wish there were more OCaml shops out there
hahahaaβ€’about 2 hours ago
Oh it needs a userland trampoline!

> JSOO does not have tail call optimization

Trasterβ€’about 2 hours ago
The "Why Bonsai?" I found really funny.

Let me re-write that section for you:

Why Bonsai?

At Jane Street we're super excited by Functional programming and by CAML in particular, so when we need low latency software, we use OCAML, when we need hardware, we write out own langauge - HardCAML, and when we need a Web UI, we build a Web UI framework in CAML. Because we fucking love CAML.

bofeiwβ€’about 1 hour ago
Agreed, looks like it's reinventing the wheels. Frameworks does not really matter today, AI agents write the code anyway.
KolmogorovCompβ€’about 1 hour ago
But AI do benefit a lot from a strict compiler, and having a simple language improve a lot on type-safety, so I don't think it is to throw, even today.
rmzs0711β€’about 1 hour ago
But what about compilation speed? Hot reload? Maintainability? What is the bus factor for these kind of technologies?

Yea, its cool to have strict type safety, but what's the point of it doesn't have all the benefits from other Frameworks that took years to polish

ForHackernewsβ€’about 1 hour ago
Better frameworks will still help AIs avoid silly mistakes. A smarter framework means you can be productive with a dumber/cheaper AI.