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thisisnotauser2 minutes ago
The comments here seem to presuppose that somehow Slovakia is the only ones who would need to worry about this, and not, say, any town with Flock in it
gumbyabout 3 hours ago
Slovakia has had a longstanding pro-Russia political stance and supports Russia’s invasion of Ukraine (and opposes the EU sanctions).

You reap what you sow, MFs!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_opposition_to_sanctions...

lenkiteabout 1 hour ago
It would be extremely stupid of Russia not to spy on Slovakia. If they had properly spied on Ukraine, they could have turned around 2014 and all of Nuland's "regime change" machinations. They have learned their lesson well now - do as the Americans do and spy on everyone - and most especially the "friendly" nations - by any and all means.
znnajdla11 minutes ago
"learned their lesson well now" - I don't think Russia has learned any lessons at all since Ukraine. Russia's sheer incompetence keeps getting worse and worse, as Prigozhin exposed on the inside. The war went from total failure to achieve any objectives for 5 years, to now 4 hour lines in Moscow to fill up your car at the gas station - i.e. Russia went from "failing to capture Kyiv in 3 days" to now "getting hit in the center of Moscow regularly".

Given the level of incompetence that Russia has demonstrated on both the political and military front, I highly doubt it could've turned anything around in Ukraine even if knew everything about 2014.

vrganjabout 2 hours ago
One could say that Fico himself is a Russian backdoor...
koonsolo14 minutes ago
Slovakia is heavily influenced by Russian propaganda, which started way before Corona times.

It's mainly the older people that are influenced by this, and a lot of young people either left the country already, or have concrete plans to leave.

It's really sad, how these old people are ruining the future of their children and grandchildren, really crazy.

You can say a lot about Russia, but they are very good with misinformation, it's a real threat for Europe.

My wife is from Slovakia, so I have front row seats on the whole situation. The kinds of misinformation these older people are willing to believe is really nuts.

fallingbananna1 minute ago
It's rooted in the education system to this day.

The majority of school teachers grew up under the Soviet side of cold war propaganda.

And in history education in particular, we are told that the has always country looked towards Russia as a role model, to fight Hungarian attempts to integrate it (since the country was just part of Hungary for most of its history).

deepfriedchokes5 minutes ago
Sounds like boomers everywhere.
kstenerudabout 1 hour ago
That's a pretty harsh and uninformed take. Russia operates by capturing foreign governments and making their leaders beholden to Russia's interests. When it succeeds, it happens regardless of what the populace actually wants. They've been grooming Trump (along with a dozen or so other potential up-and-comers) since the 80s (Trump was considered a long shot and too unpredictable, but fortune favors the prepared - better weak support of their enemies than full belligerence).

The Belarusians aren't too thrilled that Russian troops are operating in their country either, but Lukashenko needs Russian support to stay in power, so he walks a tightrope. Notice how noncommittal he is about pretty much everything...

icantevenhold17 minutes ago
Downvotes are coming from Comrade Krasnovs HN handlers
koonsolo8 minutes ago
In the case of Slovakia, it's purely Russian misinformation that was able to capture a large part of the population, mainly older people. First anti-EU, then anti-vax, and now anti-Ukraine and anti-EU.
tonyhart7about 2 hours ago
acting like western nation didn't spy to each other
paganelabout 1 hour ago
God forbid for national politicians to think about their națion first! Remind me again, how many British and French soldiers died protecting Poland in 1939? Tens of thousands, isn’t it? The same Brits who were fricking thinking of invading Finland in April of 1940 for daring to sign a peace treaty with the Soviets.
trueno21 minutes ago
ceding sovereignty and to many degrees cultures to another nation to kinda like be a vassal state is quite literally not thinking about your nation first lmao. even less so when the other nation funds your political ascension, like.. that's the opposite of thinking about your nation first. that's flat out doing it for the other nation man.
azan_40 minutes ago
> God forbid for national politicians to think about their națion first!

Being pro-russia is being anti-Slovakian though. You get zero upside for teaming with terrorist state and all the downsides.

toasty22813 minutes ago
Fico get all the free shit from Europe to build his country and a boat load of free money from his personal investments in shady businesses, so in that case he does get both upsides.
greenavocadoabout 2 hours ago
You must be new to state sponsored malware. Recent false flags are a thing: 2018 Olympic Destroyer, Marble Framework, Silver Fox, MuddyWater Chaos
pbrumabout 1 hour ago
Silver Fox is a very vaguely defined Chinese cybercrime group of malware and actors...or are you referring to something else?
sofixaabout 2 hours ago
> Recent false flags are a thing: 2018 Olympic Destroyer, Marble Framework, Silver Fox, MuddyWater Chaos

How are any of those false flag? They're state sponsored, by different state actors.

chimpontherunabout 2 hours ago
I find it amusing that the biggest supporters or Russia in its current war of aggression against Ukraine are/were Hungary, Slovakia, and Serbia -- precisely the countries that should know better, since they were the principal recipients the "love and friendship" from Russia:

- Hungary: November of 1956

- Slovakia: "spring" of 1968

- Serbia: the Stalin's betrayal at the end of WW2

toasty2285 minutes ago
Older people in these countries have good memories of that time, employment and housing were basically a given, healthcare and public transportation were solved, etc. They're very easy to manipulate, promise them a 13th month of pension and they'll vote for you.

I don't think you understand how bad globalization fucked up these countries, people live with their parents until they're 30+, young people can't find decent jobs, etc.

codedokodeabout 2 hours ago
Hungary and Slovakia are largest importers of Russian natural gas in Europe. France is third as I remember.
ReptileManabout 1 hour ago
Are there any other wars that are not of aggression? What do you gain by parroting the legalese speak? Implying that it is extra bad and extra illegal war? Not your run of the mill PG-13 war? This one is X-rated kids.

Everyone knows who the attacker is - just some people root for Russia for their own reasons. Usually tied to the internal politics of their countries - like hating for unrelated reasons the political actors from their states that happen to support Ukraine.

Cpoll32 minutes ago
> Are there any other wars that are not of aggression?

There are concepts like wars of necessity or just wars (e.g. of liberation), but that depends on how cynical you're feeling.

spiderfarmerabout 2 hours ago
My brother visited some of these countries. He said most people there are oblivious to what happened to their countries. They simply don't care. It also didn't help that everyone he met (agricultural sector) was a day-drinker.

That's why they're doomed to repeat it. Again and again.

Loughlaabout 1 hour ago
It's almost like people who are simply trying to survive don't have the time, energy, or space to worry about international, or even national affairs. Weird.
vkouabout 2 hours ago
Geopolitical decisions aren't made by countries, they are made by individual people.

Sometimes those people are a plurality that organically endorses that decision and votes some representative in. Sometimes those people are a plurality that has been brainwashed by compromised media to do it. Sometimes those people are just a small ruling elite that get voted in by people who didn't think very hard about those particular geopolitical decisions and just want, I don't know, their political and cultural enemies brutalized and $1.99 gas.

inglor_czabout 2 hours ago
The Slovaks ultimately got federalization of Czechoslovakia from the crisis (1969), which both distracted them and made their memories less negative.

As far as Hungary goes, I asked my friend who studied Hungarian history. He explained to me that while the Soviet invasion was very traumatic, the subsequent Kádár "goulash socialism" was a lot more lenient on the people than all the other Soviet Bloc regimes, and that the Hungarians made an incorrectly confident conclusion that losing a small war to the Russians is not catastrophic.

Of course, this is NOT the experience of basically anyone else who happened to be in a similar situation. A potential puppet regime of Russia in Ukraine wouldn't look like Kádárs by any means, it would rather look like the Kadyrovian microstate in Chechnya, minus the Islam of course.

dismalafabout 1 hour ago
A lot of Eastern European countries have oligarchs who largely made their fortunes with help from the Russians. In Czechia one such example is the prime minister Andrej Babiš, who was a bureaucrat in a state owned business who then sold it to himself in the 90s (with the help of some "Swiss" money) and became a billionaire. He's consistently been as pro-Russia as he thinks he can get away with (the positive is that Czechs hate Russians a lot).

Also in these countries there's a lot of old people who have never been able to adapt to living in a free, capitalist society, so for them, there's some nostalgia for communism.

bdhdhduuydabout 3 hours ago
So they bought the cameras and some people pointed out they look exactly the same as Russian cameras. The government denied this but after they figured out the serial numbers matched the Russian cameras they started this investigation.

Good they investigated this before using them, but this sounds like a big fu...

caminanteabout 2 hours ago
This would be far more impressive if not for:

> multiple reports in Slovak media that linked the purchase to a Cyprus shell company with fake certifications.

We're talking about this as if it's some precursor to a James Bond plot, but it really fizzles after learning Nina in the sourcing department skipped the compliance paperwork. James Bond doesn't need to leave the bed!

Trojan exploits aside, I just assume that it'd be easier for someone in SVR/GRU to bribe an admin.

locknitpickerabout 1 hour ago
> We're talking about this as if it's some precursor to a James Bond plot, but it really fizzles after learning Nina in the sourcing department skipped the compliance paperwork.

That's exactly the sort of thing that James Bond would do.

NuclearPMabout 3 hours ago
A big what?
GauntletWizardabout 3 hours ago
A big fuck-up, but some people prefer (nobly even if I don't abide by the same rule) to keep some words out of their mouths.
amelius35 minutes ago
spelled like that the "u" could mean "you".
bdhdhduuydabout 3 hours ago
fuck up
Animatsabout 1 hour ago
> the cameras expose live streams to anyone without a password and who knows their broadcasting IP.

Are these cameras in use in Russia? Can people outside of Russia look in at Russian traffic in this way?

ojciecczas17 minutes ago
Fits perfectly in the russian thinking scheme, always infiltrating their neighbours and trying to get more. Fucking parasites.
koonsolo3 minutes ago
It wouldn't surprise me if the Russian misinformation inside Slovakia is able to spin this into an anti-EU, anti-Ukraine story.
tokaiabout 2 hours ago
It seems like a silly mess. But its easier than it sounds to end up in such a situation. We're are a lot of HN Kagi users that just have to trust that the Yandex collaboration is fully watertight.
tomas789about 3 hours ago
Imagine somebody being able to track almost anyone using road side cameras. Good thing such things happen only in eastern Europe wink wink
somenameformeabout 2 hours ago
Most cameras are insecure by default. Check out: http://www.insecam.org/en/ or https://www.shodan.io/ The first isn't even using default access creds, which I suspect is what was 'discovered' in this case, but cameras that immediately hook up to the internet with 0 restrictions to access.
lifestyleguruabout 2 hours ago
For the goal of recording a cat scratching their car or catching an imaginary thief neighbour (a magpie or fox stole that thing that one time, you dullard) people will plug into Chinese, Russian, and American video surveillance networks in no time and pay for it.
lifestyleguruabout 2 hours ago
Slovakian prime minister is doing proud photos with Putin despite the ongoing war so the backdoor looks like a desired feature not a bug or fuck up.
irishcoffeeabout 3 hours ago
Next up, chinese solar inverter firmware.
hansoolo33 minutes ago
Do they even need that since, when most of the converters are attached to the Chinese cloud?
irishcoffee5 minutes ago
I made the logical leap that the firmware enables this. I don’t have the code in front of me, so that may have been an incorrect leap.
victorbjorklundabout 3 hours ago
To do what? Turn off the power in random individual houses?
jwrabout 1 hour ago
I think synchronized operations could really disrupt the grid — think thousands of inverters switching backfeeding to the grid on/off, causing waves and disruption. Or thousands of inverters having their grid sync disabled, simultaneously operating to shift the frequency of the grid (very bad).
wongarsuabout 3 hours ago
I'd be worried about the inverters in large commercial solar plants. On a sunny day you could easily cause a blackout by turning enough solar capacity off at once. Maybe shut down the entire grid when the sudden power imbalances trip the self- protection in half the grid. That's a pain to recover from. Spain went through that not too long ago

But maybe rapidly switching residential solar on and off in a coordinated way can also do funny things to grid equipment

rollulusabout 2 hours ago
Any idea what happens to the grid when a significant chunk of solar power suddenly disconnects?
hsuduebc233 minutes ago
There are always some “stable” power sources kept on standby that can be activated within minutes, for example gas turbines. In European electricity markets, generators can actually be paid simply for keeping this reserve capacity available, even if they are not producing much electricity most of the time.

The problem is that a few minutes is still too slow when a large power source suddenly drops out. The grid needs an immediate response, which can come from fast reserves such as batteries, hydro, pumped storage and other generators that can react automatically.

Pumped storage is basically gravitational energy storage: you pump water uphill when electricity is plentiful, then release it through turbines when power is needed.

I quite fancy electrical grid.

nomabout 2 hours ago
nah, the ones connected to the grid... you turn them all off during peak sun hours at the exact same time

same issue with large loads like boilers, this stuff should never be connected to the internet, but it is

if you can control enough load on the grid you can do real damage

randootabout 3 hours ago
DDoS, anonymizer proxy, and turn off power in large commercial installations. They kinda deserve it for investing in solar. US holds all the power in social media, can't blame China if they want to utilize their lead in solar for something too.

Hopefully mutually assured annoyance keeps everyone at bay.

bdhdhduuydabout 3 hours ago
To set roofs on fire?

In the end it's all about trust. Right now I don't see why China would like to burn down their market.

cyanydeezabout 3 hours ago
guys, do we need to reinvent the same Hanlon razor but for capitalism: Dont attribute to malice that which can easily be explained by capitalism?
emdashabout 3 hours ago
Some of those are networked I think?
tomas789about 2 hours ago
Most of them are. Including the biggest ones.
vkouabout 1 hour ago
To piss away decades of hard-earned trust in its products for some short-term one-time political 'pwn' of the enemy.

If that goal sounds stupid to you, that's because it is. I would expect some countries that are not China to act with such a capricious lack of foresight.

irishcoffee3 minutes ago
The US pulled a 1-time trigger on Japan… twice. Looks like it worked out. You should be careful tossing around words like stupid.
newscluesabout 3 hours ago
Track usage patterns to know when people are at home and then rob them.
2OEH8eoCRo0about 3 hours ago
The HN version of "I have nothing to hide."
giancarlostoroabout 3 hours ago
The nothing to hide thing isnt even an HN only thing unfortunately.
LogTrimabout 2 hours ago
The detail that gets me is the Ministry saying the cameras were safe because they'd be on a closed network, while the backdoor can apparently be triggered via SMS from hardcoded phone numbers.

That's a pretty good demonstration of why "it's not exposed to the internet" isn't a security boundary if the device itself has an out-of-band communications path.

Add Secure Boot being disabled and unauthenticated live streams and this seems less like one unfortunate backdoor and more like nobody established what the trust boundary was supposed to be in the first place.

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yodonabout 2 hours ago
Zero chance of vulns in flock, so we're good in the US /s
juliusceasarabout 1 hour ago
Russia to Slovakia is Israel to USA. Puppet state.
toasty22822 minutes ago
Most people talking about Slovakia wouldn't even be able to put it on a map or know what currency they use, but they become instant geo political expert.

They don't even know how to pronounce Fico properly... Give me a break lmao

Insimwytim11 minutes ago

  Slovakia's national security service ... says the cameras [NERO R-ONE high-speed traffic cameras] contain a backdoor mechanism that grants shell and network access to the devices via an SMS message received from a list of hardcoded Russian phone numbers.

  According to the NBU, the cameras are a rebranded version of a Russian traffic camera model named CORDON PRO.M, produced by St. Petersburg-based Russian firm Semicon.

So, it's not a spy operation, but a commercial deal.

Thing everyone seems to be missing, that threat is not imposed by Russia (state) on Slovakia, but:

- On Slovakian drivers/citizens by a company, registered in Russia

- On Russian drivers/citizens by a company, registered in Russia

- On Slovakian drivers/citizens by actors who may gain said backdoor from said company, registered in Russia

- On Russian drivers/citizens by actors who may gain said backdoor from said company, registered in Russia

- On anyone else anywhere in the world where traffic cameras installed by those, who control them, because there doesn't seem to be a proper regulation/enforcement of such regulation for those cases.

What seems to be most concerning, that the story appears to be only newsworthy because the word "Russia" is present.

Instead of highlighting the issue of uncontrolled public surveillance, focus is shifted to international politics.

P.S. lol, critical thinking is forbidden, must stay in the party line or instadownvotes