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fitblipperabout 1 hour ago
Contributing to Open Street Map has given me a ton of satisfaction. Knowing that my somewhat minor efforts to correct one address, add one feature, correct one trail will propagate to so many different places and help other people not get lost, find something new, or just be able to navigate more safely in the world makes me feel like I am leaving the world a better place more than a decade of working at FANG ever did.
c0nsumer33 minutes ago
I absolutely love OpenStreetMap. Back when I first started building (legal) mountain bike trails I realized that without a map they aren't the most useful. OSM gave me the system in which to document them, and then from there I was able to reuse the data to make print maps and eventually my current project: https://trailmaps.app
hrnnnnnn22 minutes ago
If you want a fun and easy way to contribute to OSM I recommend StreetComplete. You get a bunch of game-like quest icons for things like "what is the surface of this path?", and "does this road have a cycle path?", then you walk around and fill them in.

Very satisfying and feels like you're doing something actually useful. Also nudges you to visit parts of your neighborhood you might never have been to before.

thangalin20 minutes ago
https://shufflenblues.com/location/

I used OpenStreetMaps to create a map with a theme that fits the website theme. There were no other free options that I could find to accomplish this goal. Moreover, the map works on just about every browser under the sun. Great work by their team.

netsharcabout 3 hours ago
Happening at "Cité Descartes". I see what you did there.
michaefe20 minutes ago
Michelin being a higher tier sponsor than Esri is interesting
hk__2about 2 hours ago
Of course I learn about it exactly when I’m out of Paris for just a couple of days.
numpad0about 2 hours ago
Weird little quirk I've recently encountered, somewhat related to OSM: the `mkgmap` tool used to convert OSM data to Garmin map files display Chinese pronunciation as English names next to POI names in Japanese, due to 1) Japanese OSM maps have a lot of entries written in Japanese without indication of language, 2) no one is doing anything about it, due to Wikipedia style community nuances or something, and 3) the tool have no "--assume-language=$LANG" style of options(plus Japanese script->pronunciation mapping isn't even remotely bijective).

e.g. There's a bicycle parking next to the parkside exit at Ueno station, "上野駅公園口自転車駐車場". This is:

  meaning:        Ueno    station   park    entrance   bicycle     parking  ground in English,
  read IRL:      ue   no    eki     kouen    guchi    jitensha     chusha    jou   in Japanese, but written
  on the map:  shang  ye    yi    gong yuan   kou   zi zhuan che  zhu che   chang  as Chinese(in Pinyin but I don't know how to type it).
...I would imagine that utility of that is limited for non-Japanese users. Makes me wonder what are the reasons why master OSM data hadn't had missing pronunciations autogenerated or mkgmap tool given an auto selected language flag, but I'm not intending to be OSMian nor am I wanting to be the one to define national borders for bunch of nation states, so there's that...
SaudAljuaidabout 2 hours ago
Interesting discussion. I didn’t know OSM handled official naming separately from community naming. Thanks for the explanation.
Jimpulseabout 3 hours ago
Does OpenStreetMap comply with US executive order naming?
mikeocoolabout 2 hours ago
The President of the United Stated doesn’t actually have the authority to tell anyone besides the executive branch what to name geographic places. So the order only forces official US government maps created by USGS and the like to be updated. Other maps can choose to update if they want to.

Open Street Map tends to reserve the “name” tag for what things are commonly called by the local community. It appears that for the Lake Ontario and The Gulf of Mexico they’ve added an “official_name:US” tag to capture the names in the executive orders.

gmiller123456about 2 hours ago
Even though he can't tell others to follow them, they often choose to do so anyway. E.g. Google Maps displays the Gulf of America.
kenmacdabout 2 hours ago
It doesn't for me (although it does include it in parentheses after the real name), so I'm going to hope this is only an 'only in the US' change.
tescrealabout 1 hour ago
Did they adopt the petty naming spat over Lake Ontario^WAmerica?
kylecazarabout 2 hours ago
It's up to the renderer what to display. OSM tags data according to global consensus, they use Gulf of Mexico for 'name'. There is an attribute for 'official_name:en-US' that returns Gulf of America. Same approach for other disputed names/places.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:official_name:en-US

"Few if any renderers consume official_name=* or any of its subkeys; in practice, the purpose of this key is for geocoders to find the feature when a user searches for the official name."

plasticsopranoabout 3 hours ago
Well, when you visit it https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=7/23.765/-87.100 there's no naming of that area at all. At least when looked at from a US IP. And when you search "Gulf of America" it returns "Gulf of Mexico". So take from that what you will.
wongarsuabout 2 hours ago
Also https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=8/43.622/-78.852 shows "Lake Ontario". But it does carry the tag "official_name:en-US": "Lake America", so search will find Lake America and a mapping app could decide to show the official name

Though generally official names are the names nobody uses. For example the country labeled "France" also has the attribute "official_name:en": "French Republic"

hansvmabout 2 hours ago
Fiat never works for linguistic shifts. That order is about as likely to work as telling a kid to stop saying "six seven."
alex1138about 2 hours ago
I'm in favor of legislation to stop the '67' craze
dspillettabout 2 hours ago
Just tell them they've lost the game.

If they ask what the rules of the game are, they've just lost again.

They didn't invent being deliberately obtuse.

zikduruqeabout 2 hours ago
It's community driven, so I highly doubt the public will change it.

Now, I'd love for each geographical region to take their very worst area, and rename it after a certain politician for the lulz.

scrollopabout 2 hours ago
Hopefully not. Whatever changes Mr Trump demands will likely be temporary, regardless.