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ssuds•25 minutes ago
In a past life I worked on a rocket engine turbopump that spun at 160,000 RPM. It’s crazy to visualize how fast that is. The stresses in the metal are so high that we needed speciality alloys made exclusively for us. The parts are literally ripping themselves apart.
MisterTea•6 minutes ago
High speed turbo machinery is certainly an odd area -- like you said, its on the verge of ripping itself apart. The Leybold turbo molecular vacuum pump on my bench at home is rated to spin at 60,000 RPM. In the old days of metal fabrication you'd have two specialty precision machines to locate, drill and bore holes -- the jig bore and jig grinder. Once you bored a hole, if the part was heat treated there was almost certainly a need to touch up the bore from slight deformation so a jig grinder, a jig bore base with a 100,000+ RPM pneumatic grinder, is used to perform the final precision machining.
dpoloncsak•about 2 hours ago
I'm being incredibly pedantic, but 244Hz monitors would refresh faster than the revolutions, right? Or do I misunderstand Hz
danbruc•18 minutes ago
But even with 244 Hz the engine running at 9000 rpm or 150 Hz will not even give you two frames per revolution, about 221° of rotation per frame to be precise. If you want a somewhat smooth animation, say 10° per frame, you want to look for a 5400 Hz monitor.
zokier•about 1 hour ago
But combustion engines go also much faster than 9000 RPM; afaik bike engines can reach 18000 RPM or more.
OGWhales•about 2 hours ago
You’re correct, would be equivalent to 150Hz. I was curious too since my monitor is 360Hz :)
phoghed•about 2 hours ago
Not pedantic enough because we have 500Hz monitors already. Don’t think that’s the point the author was trying to make though.
Danieru•about 2 hours ago
No wonder idle stop is so important.

Idling at 900rpm or 15cycles per second is a tremendous waste. Somehow I always assumed it was slower.

0.9k RPM is way too fast to be the low end of a machine.

bob1029•8 minutes ago
Idle stop == cam death rattle.

The externalized consequences of drivetrains failing faster (or being abandoned because they give the perception they might) easily offsets whatever gains are achieved with this nanny tech.

Auto start/stop is a great example of weirdly aggressive nerds failing to explore nuance, which is found everywhere.

Grombobulous•about 2 hours ago
True, idling is wasteful, but at the same time “spinning fast” does not necessarily equate to “high energy consumption.”

The CPU fans in my computer spin at about 1000 RPM all day long but that doesn’t mean they’re consuming a lot of electricity.

huijzer•about 2 hours ago
Well.. as so many things in engineering: it’s a tradeoff. Mechanically, it’s also very important to let the engine warm up and cool down before and after heavy load. Primary reasons for warmup are that the oil is more fluid on higher temperatures and metal is also less fragile when 50 or so degrees above freezing. Cooldown is especially important on turbo engines as the turbo on hundreds of thousands revs per minute and high temperature needs oil to be pumped through the bearings. If you turn it off after heavy load on engines that do not keep the oil running after motor shutdown, there is a chance that oil burns and gets stuck in the bearings, degrading performance or worst case breaking the turbo.
mschuster91•about 2 hours ago
At idle, it doesn't take that much fuel to keep the engine alive. Idle stops are more important for noise abatement and local toxic exhaust gas emissions - a lot of exhaust gas treatment depends on the exhaust gas having a minimum amount of thermal energy.

The downsides of idle stops are, however, that they tend to put a lot of load on the engine, especially from the lack of oil pressure at the very few first strokes [1], and that the low temperature deposits all kinds of gunk in the exhaust pipework instead of transporting it outwards.

If you run an engine with idle stop, it really really is important to properly take care of the engine, including preventative maintenance and regular oil changes.

[1] That is even more of an issue in large engine blocks, hence that high pitched noise you hear from ships and locomotives for a while before they start up - that is an ancilliary oil pump, priming the entire oil pipework until all air is gone and full oil pressure is present at all ports in the system.

SoftTalker•10 minutes ago
Yeah I disable idle stop on my cars, for exactly those reasons. If I'm going to be stopped for more than a minute or two, I'll let the engine idle so that temperatures can normalize, then shut it off manually.

Back when turbochargers became common on passenger cars, there was even advice to be sure you let the engine idle for a minute or two before shutting it off, so that the turbocharger could cool. Otherwise the oil in the turbocharger would get baked into a goo. Modern synthetic oils, and turbochargers, handle this better today but I still like to give any hot spots a chance to cool off.

dragontamer•32 minutes ago
Unless you have a hybrid vehicle, like the Prius. Which basically switches to electric during idle stops and barely has any downside.
AlfredBarnes•about 1 hour ago
i like going to https://makermotor.com/rpm-visualizer/ and bumping up the rate to multiples of my refresh rate and seeing the pattern change.