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Discussion (12 Comments)Read Original on HackerNews

fuddleβ€’about 1 hour ago
This is great, I've read multiple books and watched videos about the attention mechanism. Now that I understand it, this is the clearest example I've seen on how attention works.
sva_β€’about 2 hours ago
I highly question this simplistic idea of high vector magnitude = high influence.
smallmancontrovβ€’about 2 hours ago
You get what you pay for. If you want to think harder and get more, https://transformer-circuits.pub/2025/attention-qk/index.htm...
ifzβ€’about 2 hours ago
I don't disagree with that. I did add an entire caveat paragraph there.

To me, it's more of a neat visualization, not something that can be used to interpret LLM behavior. Even with a lot of simplification, it can show some interesting patterns.

apnabhidu47β€’about 1 hour ago
Same I dont get it just, could you clarify it
wopakβ€’about 1 hour ago
neat, combining info from two phrases is hard to see without such a tool.

are you worried later-layer attention gets drowned out by earlier layers just because there are more of them contributing to the sum?

ifzβ€’about 1 hour ago
Hmm, I might try to add some controls to limit which layers get summed up. It might be able to reveal more patterns.

Right now only simple correlations are visible.

itsnasmeβ€’about 1 hour ago
I like the visualisation. Pretty cool
staredβ€’about 1 hour ago
I am curious what's the actual formula.

I mean, there so many headers and layers, it is tricky to make a choice that will resonate with our intuition . Is it some weighted average? Or maybe ablation test?

ifzβ€’about 1 hour ago
It's really simple, basically just the magnitude of the value vector, weighted by QK dot product, summed across all attention heads and layers.

When I started, I expected I'd have to experiment a lot to find something comprehensible. But this simple computation can already show some patterns.

staredβ€’36 minutes ago
Nice! Sometimes the simplest approaches work the best.
visargaβ€’38 minutes ago
If you want quick access look at google images for "transformer attention formula" there are some interesting depictions