Back to News
Advertisement
Advertisement

⚑ Community Insights

Discussion Sentiment

57% Positive

Analyzed from 988 words in the discussion.

Trending Topics

#claude#lru#why#more#policy#using#llm#here#problem#english

Discussion (27 Comments)Read Original on HackerNews

eruβ€’about 3 hours ago
> It didn't work, and why it didn't work turned out to be more interesting than the policy would have been.

Spoken like a true Claude.

Snarking aside, I am glad that our AI agents make it cheap enough to do these experiments and publish these write-ups that people finally bother to publish null findings. Very useful!

phoghedβ€’about 2 hours ago
That line doesn’t strike me as overtly AI written, overall yes though
wgjordanβ€’about 1 hour ago
It's using a couple textbook [1] LLM tropes, 'negative parallelism' with a 'here's the kicker' tone.

[1] https://gist.github.com/ossa-ma/f3baa9d25154c33095e22272c631...

isolatedsystemβ€’25 minutes ago
I always have a tinge of...perhaps 'sadness' when reading such articles because they are a lot like those large fishing nets that drag along the bottom of the ocean catching and destroying in quantities unneeded. From this list:

- Quietly/Delve/Tapestry/Landscape: they're all lovely words. I love(d) using them.

- "Serves as": I use this all the time too.

- "The result? Devastating". Perhaps it is a bit stilted, but "Outcome? Predictable." could be a nice turn of phrase.

- "It's worth noting": All academics everywhere use this in papers. See also: "Notably", "Essentially", "In general" and other such fillers that we reach for.

- "Think of it as": This is such a useful phrase to explain something. Analogy is how we learn after all.

- The fucking em dashes. I love them, and screw everyone who suggests one should stop using them. One big reason for using linux is the compose key, so the em dash is never far away.

- Same with the unicode decoration. Nah, screw you. I use these symbols all the time: Β°, Γ—, β†’, β‡’ etc. in my own notes. Again, compose key ftw.

Etc. (the list is endless)

I know what people will say, that everything is contextual, one has to study case-by-case etc. But I can't help feeling that someone is pointing a finger at me and accusing me before-the-fact. Just, AI has polluted the joy of writing.

AnimalMuppetβ€’about 1 hour ago
I've seen Douglas Adams use almost exactly this in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. A professor (IIRC) is talking to a former student. Quoting from memory

"Did you ever actually finish any papers?"

"No. But the reasons why not were always absolutely fascinating."

So, yeah, for me personally it's not an AI tell. I've seen it in the wild before AI.

jubilantiβ€’about 2 hours ago
But it is specifically one of Claude's ticks
moominβ€’about 2 hours ago
It is. And the reason for that is* surprising: the base knowledge corpus is clickbait internet articles.

*not at all

r_leeβ€’about 2 hours ago
I'm guessing he means overall the kind of circling and concluding that Claude does, like "the actual truth is more interesting than it seems" or "the real smoking gun is not the x, it's the y that was under our noses all this time" type of writing.
dgacmuβ€’about 2 hours ago
"That's not a result, that's a broken harness, and it's worth publishing because I expect it to be common."

That's Claude. But I agree and am also glad the author, uh, clauded this up. :)

fluidcruftβ€’about 1 hour ago
This phrasing is a very specific "Hello, this is Claude"
augment_meβ€’40 minutes ago
What I feel a bit annoyed by, and what I feel obviously LLM-run ablations like this fail to capture, is any kind of reflection around previous research or any kind of proof that this is the best you can do. You don't know, you pulled the lever and you got something, is the best? Can you do better? What is the constraint?

As an individual researcher, you do not have 22M$ to run a massive brute-force search for your problem. You are constrained to your little subscription and you will barely dip your toe in the sea of possible solutions to a problem. So letting Claude run an autoresearch loop on your problem and then having it summarize it for you brings 0 value because you dont know what the downsides and trade-offs of LRU caches were, and how you would possible solve it.

bob1029β€’about 1 hour ago
LRU seems like the ideal strategy for most things LLM-related. Everything in this realm is about recency bias. I think it is a feature in this context, not a problem.

When I give an agent a piece of corrected information regarding a long running task, the last thing I want it to do is try and statistically compensate for the fact that it is new information. I want this new information to dominate the old information.

epistasisβ€’29 minutes ago
The settings may change, but the two major problems in CS remain the same: cache invalidation, naming things, and off by one errors.
jeffbeeβ€’about 1 hour ago
This is almost unreadable. The "papers" are never referenced anywhere, so the claims being refuted cannot be evaluated. The whole fact of the TTL doesn't seem relevant at all. There are many, many well-researched admission and eviction policies that this readme doesn't mention. I just don't get why we are reading this.
gauravapisceanβ€’2 days ago
gauravapisceanβ€’2 days ago
Author here. Context for why I did this:

There's a growing literature arguing LRU is the wrong eviction policy for agentic LLM serving, because agent sessions idle and LRU can't distinguish a paused session from a dead one. I found the argument convincing and built a simulator to exploit it. Three separate mechanisms, all lost to plain radix-leaf LRU.

The reason turned out to be more useful than the policy. When I measured β€” policy-independently β€” where recompute actually comes from on 393 real Claude Code sessions, requests arriving after a gap longer than the 5-minute provider TTL account for 17.5% of it. Requests arriving within 10 seconds account for 33.1%. The dominant waste is tight tool loops whose 88k-token working sets exceed cache capacity, not sessions idling past a TTL. That's a capacity problem, and liveness prediction can't touch it.

r_leeβ€’about 2 hours ago
just curious, why the LLM writing even here?

it's just a bit disheartening to read Claude output for such a small comment like this.. it'd be great to read your own writings even if it's not as "perfect"

pmarreckβ€’about 2 hours ago
One side effect of extremely-accessible, high-quality English translation and, more importantly, English-grammar-and-idiosyncrasy-obeying AI, is that there will be more and more text that looks like this which comes from foreign, non-native-English countries.

Just FYI.

This will be especially true from non-English cultures where "avoiding shame" is high on the list of motivations.

Consider the upside, though: A much broader range of written perspectives written in high-quality, if slightly annoying, English.

I'm already seeing the benefit of this on X thanks to its autotranslation btw: I follow a few Chinese-language accounts now that I would have never been able to digest otherwise.

wblβ€’about 1 hour ago
Its only high quality of this their thoughts. Autotranslation is different from choosing to have AI shape the expression permanently.
Shadowmistβ€’about 2 hours ago
> Author here.

The best kind of correct.

HarHarVeryFunnyβ€’about 2 hours ago
Why/when would people expect agents to be idling?

I'd have thought they'd be busy (using cached prompt-prefixes) until they were finished.

whatβ€’38 minutes ago
Maybe waiting on a slow tool call or subagent or something?
achieriusβ€’about 3 hours ago
Interesting! I admit the AI-written text is rough to read, it could have used a pass or two from an actual human. E.g. "Publishing it unresolved rather than tuning until it matches." -- thanks for not lying, I guess?

Fun:

> In my first run, Belady β€” an offline oracle β€” lost to LRU. That's not a result, that's a broken harness, and it's worth publishing because I expect it to be common.

> The cause: inserting a long chain into a near-full cache lets a policy evict the very prefix it is currently building. LRU is accidentally immune because just-inserted blocks have the newest timestamp.