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(But it's possible that even less people ever wrote Eiffel than D, so, who knows)
It's very confusing name for this feature. It suggest that some sort of borrowing takes place and that it's just an optional check, which isn't the case. It should be named something like "enforced static usage analysis" instead.
In my programming language I have similar mechanism. But it isn't just checking, since it affects code generation by tracking which variables are still in use and which can be destroyed.
https://github.com/ityonemo/clr
No, I don't suggest it, but criticize it. Rust performs its checking as a separate step after actual compilation, which sometimes leads to strange behavior (like borrow errors are shown only after actual compilation errors). I prefer an approach which is integrated with other language mechanisms.
> It's still WIP but in my side project I haven't found cases that can't be handled yet.
It's generally a good idea to write such an analyzer, but I doubt it can be useful without proper integration with the language itself (with huge semantics changes). If it's too strict, it will reject perfectly fine code, but otherwise it will catch only the most obvious errors and approve code having more complex memory bugs.
No idea what it would look like, but it's pretty likely that "optimized for humans" and "optimized for agents" are not identical. For some class of problem, we really don't need people to be in the code, and I expect that surface area to continue to expand.
Something that is optimized for context efficiency, for example, would be huge. You can go hard on the formalism and correctness, to an extent that would be a pain in the ass for humans but LLMs don't care. Think Rust borrow checker but higher up the stack for a different class of correctness.
Type inference/checking happens early in the pipeline.
SSA is a way of laying out assembly instructions for an abstract machine. I say abstract because real machines re-assign values to the same addresses over time (which is precisely what 'single' static assignment prescribes against). Once you know which registers your real machine has (and instructions), you could take your SSA and turn it into real assembly.
Also, "single-pass SSA"? Not to be too pedantic, but SSA is the destination, not the journey. You could take a single pass to transform from some expressions or statements into SSA, or perhaps from SSA into something else. What's the paper?
I was trying to see what was special about Crystal in this regard.
It seems like if you took any ML or Haskell-like, you'd have type inference.
Then you could allow shadowing (Rust-style) meaning the same symbol in the source code would be one variable now, and a different variable later.
Then your compiler would need to distinguish x into x1 and x2 so it could track them separately.
So yeah, kind of an SSA I guess!
Can you elaborate what you mean?
I am confused
The correct way to go about this would be to return the new balance and capture the return value in the first part of the out postcondition like:
```D double deposit(double amount) in (amount > 0, "Deposit amount must be positive") out (result; result == balance) { balance += amount; return balance; } ```
My mistake!
https://dlang.org/spec/function.html#postconditions
> LLMs will make it easier to prototype new concepts,
So where are these prototypes?
Refinement types can be used as compile time checks for preconditions and postconditions, while this contract programming is inserting runtime checks.
Here's a good post on the type state pattern in Rust (we don't actually have refinement types in something like Rust but the type state pattern is somewhere closer to refinement types on this spectrum): https://cliffle.com/blog/rust-typestate/
In advanced cases, you'd need dependent types, but the only place where that almost shows up is in the "amount <= balance" assertions. That's also silly because if you typed "amount" and "balance" correctly, then "balance -= amount" has to produce a runtime error because the resulting balance would be negative and not a valid value for the type. So, it's a very natural place anyway to force the programmer to properly handle errors anyways.
"Contracts" has been around a long time and has not caught on. That's usually a good sign that better approaches are prevailing.
In other words: refinement types are a better solution.
Contracts are an attempt to include formal specification languages into the implementation languages. You can enforce valid and invalid state changes, enforce relationships across the program state, or even enforce some level of correctness in behaviour.
> around a long time and has not caught on. That's usually a good sign that better approaches are prevailing.
That is completely not true. Plenty of dumb things prevail for faar too long for no other reason than momentum. Plenty of great things remain academic forever. It took decades to get algebraic types or basic functional programming somewhat accepted.
Design by contract is in theory a good idea but suffers from being a pain to use effectively. (making actually useful invariants that help the program more than an assert already would have)
Adding them to languages not built around them also results in quite nasty boilerplate or runtime overhead which further discourage their usage.
I'd love to see a language whose pitch is that they have very next level stdlibs builtin. Effect for example is basically a mini stdlibs unto itself. It would be amazing to see such a principled deliberate craft applied to a language. Scope, layers etc etc etc etc: make visible, make first-class the actual pieces of computing, make them part of the language, explicitly modelled.
I'm also super excited for Zena, which just got announced yesterday! A typescript alike that compiles to wasm, and which really leans in to modern wasm, such as gc, wasi. A language that sits well at the cross-roads, that is excellent glue, that runs anywhere, that bridges other languages, is very compelling. https://justinfagnani.com/2026/09/09/zena-a-new-wasm-first-p...