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siddboots4 days ago
Very cool concept and execution, well done.

I don't quite understand what is going on with the "spotlight" UI concept - I can click around on the characters and it highlights an area and it also reloads the landscape local to the character that I clicked on, so I can sort of traverse the similarity landscape this way. But I feel like I might be missing some part of the visual metaphor?

huflungdung4 days ago
It’s just a cool visualisation
teaearlgraycold3 days ago
Agreed. Nice aesthetic. Terrible design.
siddboots3 days ago
Well, that wasn’t my conclusion at all to be clear!
Koffiepoeder3 days ago
I understand trimming input fields is typically a useful default, but in this case this prevents me from searching for a space. So maybe it'd be worthwhile to add a `if (trim(str)=="") return str` exception or something similar?
meodai3 days ago
oh right, good catch
meodai3 days ago
fixed
mjmasn3 days ago
I didn't notice this at first but if you click the pencil icon you can draw a shape to match against instead of searching with text or browsing with the dropdown
_qua3 days ago
I'm not dyslexic, but this is what I imagine dyslexic hell is.
txzl3 days ago
Seems like search doesn't work for Japanese kanji. Search works for https://unicodeplus.com/U+2F8F But doesn't work for https://unicodeplus.com/U+884C
meodai2 days ago
Cadwhisker3 days ago
Very impressive that I can sketch a character in the top-left and get a close match. That's a real highlight showing that there's more going on under the hood than a big look-up table.
SpyCoder773 days ago
I made a similar tool that in my opinion looks better and is more useful for finding characters. I feel that the tool the OP posted seems cool for short periods of entertainment, but isn't very useful for utility. Link to the website here: https://unicode-atlas.vercel.app
irickt4 days ago
"Everything runs in your browser."

That's cool. The sound effects seem like natural thinking sounds. :)

Several models to compare.

tantalor3 days ago
Ouch, my back button
SpyCoder773 days ago
Yeah lol
iqfareez3 days ago
well you can right click the back button
0xCE03 days ago
Unicode standard doesn't define any visual shapes for code points (except conceptual examples for some emoji-like symbols), so this is more some specific font's (that is not even mentioned/cannot be changed) glyph similarity visualization than anything to do with Unicode code point "visual exploration".
alentred3 days ago
This is excellent. I prefer Unicode characters over images when possible, like arrows for example, but often struggle finding the exact one I need. Here I can sketch ‼ what I need and then narrow down my search. This is just perfect, many thanks. UX is easy and intuitive. Goes to my bookmarks.

Like, who knew this is even a character: ᆚ

SpyCoder773 days ago
I made a similar tool that in my opinion looks better and is more useful for finding characters. I feel that the tool the OP posted seems cool for short periods of entertainment, but isn't very useful for utility. Link to my website here: https://unicode-atlas.vercel.app
me_again3 days ago
Amused by how many X's there are: https://charcuterie.elastiq.ch/#1100B

Did you mean Aegean Check Mark or Old North Arabian letter Teh?

Rendello3 days ago
We unified the entire CJK space but there was no "x" unification!
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runeblaze3 days ago
> visual similarity

> SigLIP 2

Maybe visual-semantic similarity is more appropriate? Nonetheless the design is fantastic

meodai3 days ago
True, thanks for the feedback
ghywertelling3 days ago
One future project idea suggestion. Can we combine these characters to create new ones just like Gboard allows us to intelligently combine emojis to create new complex emojis.
vprcic3 days ago
It would seem it takes in account a bit more than "visual similarity", otherwise I can't find a good reason for "@" and "U+1F582 (BACK OF ENVELOPE)" being that close.

Also, for years (decades?!) I wanted something similar in Word, for when I knew how to describe the symbol in words, but had a hard time manually searching for in the unwieldly UI. I can't believe that "insert symbol" window still doesn't have any kind of search capability.

SpyCoder773 days ago
I made a similar tool that in my opinion looks better and is more useful for finding characters. I feel that the tool the OP posted seems cool for short periods of entertainment, but isn't very useful for utility. Link to the website here: https://unicode-atlas.vercel.app
cammasmith3 days ago
I agree. If Word had something like this, it would be so much easier to find the symbol you're looking for.
haritha-j3 days ago
Let me sumamrise my response thusly: 𒁞
semolino3 days ago
Design is delightful, great job.

The radial glyph wave animation is also really cool, but the novelty will wear off and the delay will become grating especially if one is using the app in a utilitarian manner. Consider skipping transitions/animations if the user signals a preference for reduced/removed motion. Alternatively, you could add an on-page toggle for animations.

SpyCoder773 days ago
I made a similar tool that in my opinion is more useful for finding characters via drawings and similar characters. As you mentioned, the tool the OP posted seems cool for short periods of entertainment, but isn't very useful for utility. Link to the website here: https://unicode-atlas.vercel.app
meodai2 days ago
yeah that’s a more utilitarian approach mine is more about exploring and navigating the unicode space visually

beauty is in the eye of the beholder

though going through every comment to promote it feels a bit… unnecessary

SpyCoder771 day ago
I agree, you did a great job on the design, especially the border around the grid, I really like it. Also, just checked out your homepage, it looks really, really good
meodai3 days ago
great idea, I think I will do both
meodai3 days ago
done!
Leptonmaniac3 days ago
Really good looking! Interesting UI/UX insight: I kinda expect to be able to "go back" by inverting the coordinates. So when I have one glyph in focus and select a new one two to the left and five down, I would love to be able to go back by selecting five up and two right to find the "old" glyph. Not sure how well this can be implemented.
roer3 days ago
Lots of fun trying to go to a target symbol. Especially if you intentionally get yourself stuck in the lines first :D
nikisweeting3 days ago
This is so cool, just bookmarked it next to https://emojidb.org/ which is what I've been using in the past for vector-based emoji search.
SpyCoder773 days ago
I made a similar tool that in my opinion looks better and is more useful for finding characters. I feel that the tool the OP posted seems cool for short periods of entertainment, but isn't very useful for utility. Link to the website here: https://unicode-atlas.vercel.app
nikisweeting2 days ago
gotta add vector search! that's the main benefit of these tools imo

I want to be able to search abstract concepts like "package" or "download" or "jazz" and see everything vaguely related like emojidb does.

SpyCoder771 day ago
Will look into.
SubiculumCode3 days ago
As an aside: I personally have no use for unicode for bash commands, and the potential for sneaky maliciousness worries me. Does anyone know of a way to automatically strip (e.g. with tr) all unicode away when pasting into a terminal?
wackget3 days ago
Cool but maybe consider a different name? If I want to recommend this tool in a few weeks' time there is approximately 0% chance I'm remembering it's called something like "Charcuterie", despite the clever bit of wordplay.
emmelaich3 days ago
The title of the page is "Charcuterie — A Visual Unicode Explorer" so a search would bring it up. [edit - tested in a incognito page]
jorisnoo3 days ago
I love the name!
keyle3 days ago
I like the animation work and sound, it really gamifies the experience. I question the usefulness though. But it could make a fun game experience if it were to let people match by colour or align emojis related to each other.
SpyCoder773 days ago
I made a similar tool that in my opinion is more useful for finding characters. I feel that the tool the OP posted seems cool for short periods of entertainment, but isn't very useful for utility. Link to the website here: https://unicode-atlas.vercel.app
meodai3 days ago
I use it to find icons I likr
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d--b3 days ago
The name sounds really bad in French. Charcuterie is a pig butchering shop, usually associated with messy bloody stuff. The verb “charcuter” also refers to surgery done poorly.

But yeah I guess the pun makes it work in english

meodai3 days ago
I’m a native French speaker, and “charcuterie” doesn’t really carry that negative meaning in everyday use. It’s very commonly used to mean cold cuts / prepared meats.

The butcher is un charcutier, and the shop is une boucherie. La charcuterie refers to the food itself, usually cured or prepared meats (pork, cooked, smoked, dried, etc.). So the name works the same way it does in English.

d--b3 days ago
I'm French too :-)

I get why people use French words to name products in english, but une charcuterie, it's somewhat gross and messy. It's Gaulois in a sense. To me it clashes a lot with the look of the website which is more like Tron-ish.

You wouldn't see a charcutier in Tron, would you?

meodai3 days ago
Fair enough. I didn’t go for cultural or visual accuracy when naming it, I just wanted something loosely tied to characters / unicode, and the pun clicked for me. I still like it a lot.
globular-toast3 days ago
I looked this up as I was sure boucherie is the butchering/bloody bit. I think I'm right, charcuterie means essentially the same thing as it does in English.

I didn't realise it was a French word, though, and thought the char was referring to smoking, even though I know not all charcuterie is smoked. But, in fact, char means flesh (chair) and cuterie means cookery. So it's more like "flesh-cookery" if we wished to translate it.

zeltus3 days ago
aksherlee, to les crapauds, a char is a tank.
d--b3 days ago
aksherlee <= nice one
pimlottc3 days ago
This is cool but the characters are awful small on my iPhone 14 Pro. Decent bit of wasted space too. Why are the characters in the previous history list (on the “rim” so much bigger than the characters I’m actively exploring?
lastofthemojito3 days ago
The design is fun.

I think matching the drawing input to emojis need some work - no matter how I draw a smiley face, I never get any smiley face emoji (or any emoji) as a suggestion.

aeonik3 days ago
This is one of those designs that should be implemented on every computer. I'd love to have a little button pop up that helps my identity a symbol.
SpyCoder773 days ago
I made a similar tool that in my opinion is more useful for finding characters, either by text search, drawing, or selecting a similar character. I feel that the tool the OP posted seems cool for short periods of entertainment, but isn't very useful for utility. Link to the website here: https://unicode-atlas.vercel.app
lastofthemojito3 days ago
I get weird behavior if I enter a Korean Hangul symbol like 소, it doesn't show visually similar symbols, it seems to be random stuff.
zeltus3 days ago
Bookmarked as an excellent tool. I use it to find alternatives to "forbidden" characters in filenames. For media files, mostly.
amake3 days ago
To visually compare characters you need to map them to glyphs; what is the glyphset and how much of Unicode does it actually cover?
meodai3 days ago
The only way that I can think of to respond to that question is this: https://charcuterie.elastiq.ch/data/fonts/fonts.css
hootz3 days ago
A cool website that can be gamified like Wikipedia! You can do things like racing to find the among us character ඞ :)
savolai3 days ago
Love it.

Svg backups would be nice when chars render as boxes.

meodai3 days ago
should be less boxes now!
tash_2s3 days ago
Love this. I hope it works with Japanese kanji too, because sometimes I forget the exact character but remember a similar one.
meodai3 days ago
It does
amake3 days ago
It only seems to work for some subset of CJK characters. I haven't been able to figure out why some work and some don't.

For instance 叱 and 明 both seem to fail in the same way: U+1F996 T-REX in the upper left corner and the URL fragment fails to update.

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ares6233 days ago
Reminds me of early 2000's web design with Flash websites. Those were good times.
ebruchez3 days ago
Oh no they weren't!
est3 days ago
Could this be used to make better ASCII animations?
evilelectron4 days ago
WOW! What a lovely way to explore the character map.
arttaboi3 days ago
This is impressive! Thanks for sharing.
adi_kurian3 days ago
This is quite remarkable. Great work.
rustystump3 days ago
This tastes delicious. The sound is perfectly restrained and animation is intentional. I wish more apps were as playful as this.
minantom3 days ago
Very cool concept and execution.
fortyseven4 days ago
Anyone else think of the film 'Hangar 18'; specifically the alien language they find on the UFO?
joshu3 days ago
anyone know how this works? i assume just rasterizing and embedding?
meodai3 days ago
exactly
joshu3 days ago
ported my random glyph generator to this method using pytorch timm and... it works! very cool
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romanovtexas3 days ago
Amazing concept!
ssss113 days ago
Sounds delicious!
mplanchard4 days ago
Love the name, very clever
LowLevelKernel3 days ago
WOW. JUST WOW ‼