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n_uabout 7 hours ago
> an a16z-funded startup that uses a phone farm to flood social media with AI-generated TikTok accounts

Isn't this a bot farm? Don't they already exist and aren't they against TikTok's terms of service? The most surprising part of this article is that a16z invested in this.

also their website is unsettling https://doublespeed.ai/

OtherShrezzingabout 7 hours ago
A16z’s owners have been fairly open about their societally unpalatable attitudes of late. Maybe they were always like that, just a bit more private about it in the past.

In any case, their investment into this company just fits onto a trendline of high-capital antisocial behaviour.

seibeljabout 6 hours ago
> Michael: My father is no different than any powerful man, any man with power, like a president or senator.

> Kay Adams: Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? Presidents and senators don't have men killed.

>Michael: Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?

- The Godfather

heavyset_goabout 7 hours ago
If that surprises you, imagine the shady shit people with too much money invest in when the thought of "what if I hired some hackers" crosses their minds.
ryandrakeabout 7 hours ago
> The most surprising part of this article is that a16z invested in this.

Why would this surprise you?

raabout 7 hours ago
Surprises me to.

I thought A16Z were a top-tier VC wanting to create long-term value. I didn't see black-hat social media bot farms in their focus areas.

It might be a bit facetious, but if I had 10m invested with them I'd be asking questions about their investment thesis.

pseudalopexabout 5 hours ago
> I thought A16Z were a top-tier VC wanting to create long-term value.

They invested in Cheddr.

We're building the TikTok of sports wagering. Accessible by 18 to 21 year olds. Live in game micro betting. Swipe to predict every moment. It's sports wagering at the pace of a slot machine.[1]

They invested in Coverd.

Bet on your bills — OnlyFans, child support, and last night’s Uber. Wipe them from your credit card by playing your favorite casino games all from the comfort of our app.[2]

"We didn't build Coverd to help people inhibit their spending; we built it to make spending exciting. We let spenders win twice – the second time is when they play it back and win. Our users want immediacy and upside. Coverd gamifies transactions with real financial leverage, meeting users where they are and turning spending into a moment they look forward to," said Albert Wang, co-founder & CEO of Coverd.[3]

[1] https://player.vimeo.com/video/1067223945

[2] https://archive.is/XWKEI

[3] https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/coverd-launches-app...

Zanfaabout 7 hours ago
> I thought A16Z were a top-tier VC wanting to create long-term value.

That hasn’t been the case since they publicly went all-in into crypto scams.

> It might be a bit facetious, but if I had 10m invested with them I'd be asking questions about their investment thesis.

Their fund sizes have skyrocketed since.

mayneackabout 6 hours ago
A16Z was (is?) up to their eyeballs in crypto as well.
surgical_fireabout 2 hours ago
> VC wanting to create long-term value

I nearly spit my coffee laughing at this.

Brother, the only value VC aims to create is the value in their pockets in an exit event.

Either by having the company acquired by the usual suspects or the jackpot of an IPO where the general public will be bagholders. The damage their investments caused to society is immaterial, negative externalities they don't need to account for.

> It might be a bit facetious, but if I had 10m invested with them I'd be asking questions about their investment thesis.

The obvious answer is that the sort of people that have 10m invested with them just care about ROI.

kklisuraabout 6 hours ago
> I thought A16Z were a top-tier VC wanting to create long-term value.

Wait till you hear about this one called YC.

sofixaabout 7 hours ago
Yeah, we're talking a VC. And one run by and named after two guys who between them have publicly backed racism+misogyny+xenophobia+nepotism, have asked for more housing to be built while blocking housing in their own city, etc.

Them investing in a troll farm is pretty on brand.

blargeyabout 8 hours ago
Having looked at https://doublespeed.ai/ out of morbid curiosity, I have to say a simple screenshot would have sent the message more effectively. Well, that and the tagline "a16z funded this".
xtiansimon24 minutes ago
I dropped this into a previous chat about the introspection bit.

New Media Playbook https://a16z.simplecast.com/episodes/a16zs-new-media-playboo...

I still think it’s quite shocking.

I did some volunteer work with a non-profit conducting a survey in NYC about “food deserts”. I had to complete an hours long certification course—ethical boundaries and such—just so I can speak with people about fruits and vegetables. This audio makes it clear a16z’s rigorous approach to communication is coming from a dark and dangerous place.

This “playbook” speaks about _intentionally creating_ mental breakdown. Seems like an antichrist move to me.

speedpingabout 7 hours ago
I can't be the only one who thought this was a phone farm based on iPhones running Apple A16Z SoC (which doesn't exist btw, it's A12Z or A16)
jim33442about 7 hours ago
There are at least two of us
x3n0ph3n3about 8 hours ago
Anyone working for a company like that should be deeply ashamed of themselves.
liquidiseabout 7 hours ago
I have an opposite reaction for what I assume are reasons we agree on.

Social media has been a transparent race to the bottom for many years. The sooner it is shittified beyond repair the better. AI flooding content to them should help speedrun its descent, or maybe I’ve giving the average user (above child age) too much credit.

01HNNWZ0MV43FFabout 6 hours ago
Has accelerationism worked before?
dmos62about 5 hours ago
WW2 produced some diplomatically-brilliant world leaders. I think you could say that any situation that's headed in an unsustainable direction is being affected by accelerationism. In fact, the old observation "a fool will become a master if he perseveres in his folly" is much about the same thing.
jim33442about 6 hours ago
I think so. These sites can be hardened by relying on people following who they know, but the slop ruins discoverability. That's also partially the reason people moved to TikTok from older, more dumped-on platforms.
userbinatorabout 7 hours ago
I'm not sure if LLMs can be ashamed of themselves.

/s

verdvermabout 7 hours ago
I wonder how many people can be ashamed of themselves these days

!/s?

bix6about 8 hours ago
Imagine investing your hard earned money into a phone farm that spams AI content in order to manipulate people into buying shit they don’t need, while our world burns.
kurthrabout 7 hours ago
See, there's your problem, introspection.

https://youtube.com/shorts/b6Zw50f5jJk

fxtentacleabout 7 hours ago
Wow. I thought you were being snarky, but he actually says to skip all kinds of introspection, reflexion, and also therapy.
eszedabout 5 hours ago
Jesus. Yeah, that explains a lot.

By the way, his notion that introspection is an "invention of the 1920s" is historical bullshit. I think he's taking potshots at psychotherapy? Whatever, man, but then do that. It's not like a Freudian concept of the self is beyond criticism - far, far from it - but using that to interdict "introspection" is just sloppy thinking.

Anyway, leaving aside anything else to be said on the topic, the idea that "great men of history don't introspect" is utter bullshit. I'll see you Abraham Lincoln, and raise you Marcus fucking Aurelius.

So, if what you really want to say is that "most 'great men of history' were sociopaths" then, well, yeah: you're probably onto something. If your next thought is "and I want to be like them", then that's 1) a pretty damning confession, and 2) also evidence that you, sir, aren't actually a sociopathic "great man" at all, just an insecure nerd who got lucky a few times, and now are getting high on your own farts.

marak830about 4 hours ago
I don't mean to derail (and thank you for the - horrifying - link), but why the hell is that a "short". It would have been much better being a normal video (with time controls).
utopiahabout 6 hours ago
No way... that's the most retarded thing I've heard for a while now, and I did read about international news.

Introspection is basically THE core mechanism for learning. That's HOW one learns on any topic. It's not a "wishy washy hippie feeling" (being provocative here) but rather introspection is (and to be fair I verified with https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/introspection/ just to make sure I wasn't talking out of my own ass) precisely looking at your inner workings. How you function IN ORDER to do better. You notice flaws, inefficient behaviors, things you enjoy, etc THEN you act on it.

Having no introspection is like doing math without verifying. It's like coding without compiling, linting or even executing without looking at the output.

So dumb it hurts.

rexpopabout 6 hours ago
What is wrong with his upper respiratory system?
balls187about 7 hours ago
Help me understand. Is this just AI replacing influencers?
Legend2440about 6 hours ago
More like a tiktok spam botnet for hire.
georgemcbayabout 6 hours ago
> calling them the 'antichrist'

I'm not an expert on the antichrist, but I think they are at least better candidates than Greta Thunberg.

wibbilyabout 9 hours ago
Are 404 media links still blackholed?
rvzabout 8 hours ago
Only if the articles have a pay-wall and no way to bypass it.

This article in particular doesn’t have one. So it should be fine.

sphabout 6 hours ago
How can I contribute to such endeavours?

And still Wikipedia calls the dead internet a ‘conspiracy theory’

phplovesongabout 7 hours ago
Doublespeed looks like cancer. Never heard about them or "a16z" before, but looks like the pinnacle of slop
tonypapousekabout 6 hours ago
a16z is a pretty big VC firm, popular among the ycombo startup crowd
fxtentacleabout 7 hours ago
SaaS = Slop as a Service. I heard SaaS is all the rage with VC money these days.
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