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jampekkaabout 5 hours ago
The slogan "Age Verification Solution for all Europeans" is a lie.

The honest slogan is "Age Verification Solution for Europeans Who Use Mobile Devices that are Controlled by US Corporations and by Extension US Government Which Can Revoke Your Use of the Solution with No Recourse".

budududuroiuabout 3 hours ago
EU leaders are aware that for the next couple of decades, they will have to lead from a position of deep unpopularity. This is the "solution" to that problem, not whatever they're claiming is the problem.
squigz13 minutes ago
> they will have to lead from a position of deep unpopularity

Can you elaborate on... why?

raxxorraxorabout 3 hours ago
I really doubt it will establish itself as something broadly adopted. Perhaps the EU tries to force the issue, but that will undermine this "solution" as well and there are ways to evade that.

There were good ideas at first but especially data protection features have already been scrapped. Also you need to buy into the Apple or Google ecosystem, no alternatives allowed. Especially funny if the next sentence contains some reference about independence...

I will not use it for anything privately as I neither trust the issuer, nor the notified bodies providing the infrastructure.

Our police accessed app data from Corona movement apps, it will do the same for any and all digital solutions the bureaucracy tries to sell. This is political problem we had for decades. Authorities aren't trustworthy, the legislative refuses to introduce strong privacy protection and instead tries to do the opposite. They even further enabled large platforms to scrap user data even more unhinged. To hell with them and with their shitty projects, I don't need a shitty content gatekeeper, even if you pay me.

nilslindemannabout 10 hours ago
What about users with no smart phone?
pjmlpabout 8 hours ago
No smartphnone and dependent on two US companies, is there an official complaint form?

EDIT: A possible way, https://european-union.europa.eu/contact-eu/write-us_en

Someoneabout 5 hours ago
From skimming the texts, I don’t see a 100% hard requirement of using a smart phone.

Yes, in https://ageverification.dev/av-doc-technical-specification/d..., section 2.3 User Journey says

“To enable online age verification, the User is required to install an AV app on their mobile device”

but section 3 Architecture says

“The solution relies on a device-based proof of age model, leveraging widely available mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets to store age attestations. This approach supports the goal of rapid deployment and broad accessibility. Alternative mechanisms for storing and presenting proof of age may be considered for future versions of the solution.”

and

“It is also recognised that devices may be shared among multiple users, for example, when a child has access to a parent’s mobile phone”

That indicates the child may not need to have a smartphone.

I think the vast majority of cases where this will be used it with users wanting to run smartphone or tablet apps, though. For those cases, requiring the user to own a smartphone isn’t problematic.

jampekkaabout 5 hours ago
The app is available only on Android (and maybe iOS) and requires Google/Apple attestation.

There's been extensive discussion about this, but the developers refuse to even fully acknowledge the problem.

Someoneabout 1 hour ago
Is there a “the App”? The text I referenced talks of “a Reference Implementation”. That suggests, to me, that there will be multiple apps, leaving open ones for other platforms than smartphones.

And yes, it remains to be seen whether, as they say “alternative mechanisms for storing and presenting proof of age” that “may be considered for future versions of the solution” actually will actually surface, but their argument “The solution relies on a device-based proof of age model, leveraging widely available mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets to store age attestations. This approach supports the goal of rapid deployment and broad accessibility.” has merit.

techcodeabout 9 hours ago
In The Netherlands I wouldn't be able to login to any government or adjecent websites (e.g. portal of my local health center/GP, health insurance, retirement/pension insurance) without a smart phone running DigiD app for 2FA.

The non-EU Serbia has the equivalent app, but also you might be able to get individual/personal e-certificate (for logging into e-government or signing e-documents) added into smart card chip of your ID. But in practice it seems thats only used for business purposes, like CEO/Accountants/etc to sign/submit business records/taxes.

tmtvlabout 6 hours ago
In Belgium the eID software runs on GNU/Linux, so I can log in to government websites using my ID card and a card reader. In my experience it even works better on GNU/Linux than on MS Windows.

It's one of the only things that Belgium does right.

closuregardenabout 5 hours ago
The DigiD app isn't required. You can log-in with DigiD using SMS 2FA. This is what I currently do, because I don't want to install closed-source software on my device.
mcvabout 5 hours ago
DigiD used to work fine without an app. I think it still does, because I have to explicitly select using the app to log in.
exceptioneabout 4 hours ago
Dumb phone works as well with sms verification.
xinayderabout 2 hours ago
The best solution is to not have age verification. Period.
DavideNLabout 8 hours ago
Original url / Statement by von der Leyen: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47778263
tiel88about 4 hours ago
I couldn't possibly even begin to express the vastness of my disdain for these Eurocrats... but even I can't believe they decided to name it EAVS.

The EAVS will be dropping yeah?