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jaybrendansmith39 minutes ago
Again, I don't understand why this post is flagged. Don't hackers care about science? Isn't this newsworthy?
carefree-bob36 minutes ago
It's partisan political flamebait. Hey that's fine if you want to engage in that stuff, I recommend going to twitter or bluesky for it.
jmye22 minutes ago
On a board largely populated by people who aspire to work at places like Meta and OpenAI, and who idolize Musk and Thiel, you’re surprised that anything critical of deep right bullshit is flagged? Really?
MrGilbertabout 2 hours ago
I cannot help but wonder how many decades it will take the U.S. to recover from the damage that the current administration is causing, both economically and in trust on a global scale. While in no way comparable, as a German, that topic feels familiar non the less - and to this day, it's a long and rocky road.
burnt-resistorabout 1 hour ago
Much of the damage is irreparable. Organizations that no longer exist have lost workers, other stakeholders, resources, and trust permanently.. and in cases like USAID and healthcare, people have suffered permanent injuries or died.

These clueless assholes don't care about or understand the implications of the damage they've caused... they're gangs of criminals rapists and pillagers scorching the earth and leaving chaos and destruction in their wake.

PigeonHolePncplabout 2 hours ago
Economically? No idea.

Global trust? I'd give it 20-40 years.

surgical_fireabout 1 hour ago
That presumes a sharp correction in the direction the US is heading, whatever it is.

Is that a given?

bestouffabout 2 hours ago
I'm not even sure the Nazi regime was that much anti-science.
karmakurtisaaniabout 1 hour ago
A lot of great scientists left Europe because of them tho.
burnt-resistorabout 1 hour ago
True. And they forced some scientists to work for them to build terror and WMDs. This regime doesn't even want technological supremacy in many other domains like drones and counter-drones except maybe hypersonic missiles and unworkable pocket battleships.
jruohonenabout 2 hours ago
From the liked NBER study:

"Between 58 and 68 percent of citations to Chinese publications come from other Chinese publications, even for breakthrough work. This contrasts sharply with other regions, where cross-border citation rates are substantially higher."

https://www.nber.org/digest?page=1&perPage=50

3eb7988a1663about 2 hours ago
Surely English fluency is somewhat relevant.
surgical_fireabout 1 hour ago
Interesting.

I wonder if within my lifetime it is possible that Chinese will become the main language one has to learn to be on top of things, with English becoming more niche.

These shifts happen slowly I presume. There was a point where a lot of people learned French as a lingua franca, and it transitioned to English over decades.

zb3about 2 hours ago
The more Chinese publications, the bigger share of their citation rates, right?
andretti1977about 2 hours ago
… “Ignorance is strength” might was well be an official MAGA motto…
rolphabout 2 hours ago
not according to this article. the attempt is to defund research, gov can make money out of thin air to an extent, but not indefinately, and it has to be paid for in real terms.

private interests have greater actual holdings than gov.

"they" are not winning, they are chasing a major provider of high standard of living, right out the door.

rootusrootusabout 2 hours ago
As is so typical in politics, whether it is countries, parties, or legislation, irony dominates the naming. Democratic People's Republic of Korea, PATRIOT act, MAGA, the list goes on.
readthenotes1about 2 hours ago
How is this affecting the replicability crisis?
gverrillaabout 2 hours ago
Absolutely deleting progress.
jmclnxabout 2 hours ago
China is increasing funding, US is cutting funding so this will only help China.
wileydragonflyabout 2 hours ago
NIH grant funding is still down about 35% and they’re lying about it. They’re not updating Reporter fully so the director has been able to obfuscate it. Graduate programs are reducing admissions and I imagine fewer potential scientists are interested in the PhD path given “current situation.” So I imagine it’s going to take several “good” years to undo what’s been done.
nis0sabout 2 hours ago
I hate that it happened because of a political reason, and many topics affected were unnecessarily targeted, but it’s 1000% true that many labs were overfunded, and accumulated resources which were essentially spent on ego bullshit. There need to be more cuts and selective funding of research labs, in general. Sadly, funding R1 does not guarantee that you’re going to get anything meaningful from that research as a non-trivial number of PIs just used excessive funding to bloat up their numbers to appear politically important, like middle managers at FAANG. So, essentially creating an adult daycare with no regards to output or impact. This needs to stop, and spending needs to be allocated responsibly. Lab impact needs to be assessed on regular (2-yr seems reasonable) basis, and then funding needs to be diverted to new or better players.
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