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userbinatorabout 2 hours ago
In an alternate world, Ethernet took on the role of the universal serial bus, and we have laptops that charge via PoE, but only possible on one of their ports (the others are usable for peripherals --- with protocols running over Ethernet too, of course.) But the same confusion regarding power and speed capabilities exists.
dale_glassabout 1 hour ago
We'd have to invent a new connector first. It's too thick for modern laptops, not to speak of cell phones.

Also, RJ45 is terribly fragile if you keep plugging and unplugging it, eventually that latch will break. And copper can barely support 10G and is terribly power hungry when it does that. And the cables get thick and inflexible.

jonplackettabout 1 hour ago
It would help if computers / phones had an easy way to just identify a cable when you plug it in. Is this hard to do or just something normal people never care about?
nottorp4 minutes ago
> https://github.com/darrylmorley/whatcable

This was on show hn only yesterday.

Probably can't tell you anything about the other end of the cable though.

> Is this hard to do or just something normal people never care about?

If i believed in conspiracies i'd say the usb consortium or mafia or whatever it's called is pressuring software developers to not display that info. Otherwise they'd have "normal people" with torches and pitchforks at their door.

rlam2x5124 minutes ago
I guess you need control over both cable endings. You can buy dedicated cable testers like https://treedix.com/products/treedix-usb-cable-tester-usb-c-...
dijit33 minutes ago
it violates every products person wish to be “simple”.

There’s a reason that Windows barely shows any errors until the system fully halts.

ohnei3 minutes ago
They now have the option to silently add this kind of detail to logs and have clippy find answers to why is my computer odd/slow only when asked. For a long time I felt like companies leaving product decisions to the Occamist (or the closely related lazy programmer) was a superpower to compete against larger organizations that usually don't, but we may get a run for our money from emulated simplicity.
isodevabout 1 hour ago
And on top of that, Apple has that thing where only some devices can charge from their adapters. I have a special adapter just for non-Apple things because the white bricks (despite the usb-c) sometimes just refuse to give power to things. So frustrating.
Filligreeabout 1 hour ago
Mostly, that's non-compliant devices. Doesn't make it work any better, but I wouldn't assume Apple is doing it wrong here.

USB-C ports aren't allowed to provide power until after configuration, but a lot of USB-C chargers provide 5V regardless. This is wrong, but it does mean you can use a dumb C-to-micro cable which doesn't include the necessary electronics. (A pull-down resistor at least.)

And of course there's no way to tell by the looks of the cable.

isodev21 minutes ago
> This is wrong

I understand the technical reasons behind it, but in this case - the actual expectation is to be able to use usb-c to charge other gadgets.

josephg32 minutes ago
Yeah this is right. I bought a cheap wireless mouse, with a USB-C port for charging. None of the USB-C chargers in my house would charge it, so after awhile it inevitably went flat and I took it back to the shop - since it was faulty.

The guy in the shop plugged it in to a USB-A port via a cheap A-to-C cable, and the mouse immediately came to life. Of course. I felt like an idiot.

I didn't get a faulty unit. Whoever designed the mouse was treating the USB-C plug like a newer micro-usb port. The mouse just expected 5V over the port. They clearly didn't bother testing it with a proper USB-C charger.

I returned it anyway and got a mouse that wasn't broken.

javawizard13 minutes ago
It annoys me so much when new electronics do this because the fix is both well known by now and only requires 2 dirt cheap components on the circuit board (5.1k resistors to ground on the CC lines).

As a hardware engineer among other things, that was one of the first things I learned about interfacing with USB C. How do so many consumer devices keep getting this wrong in the year of our lord 2026?

dijit29 minutes ago
Whaaaaaaaaat?!

Apple, somewhat famously, build their power adapters incredibly well.

If they’re not charging something my default assumption will be: that thing doesn’t support PD.

https://youtu.be/SUlNKYI07SY?is=sJ2ICaXwxCsBJiXA

https://youtu.be/rwEh4jsVew0?is=NeRD7hAk-6KABAyc

SyneRyder18 minutes ago
I've run into problems with Apple chargers not charging my Lenovo laptop. (I used to be an Apple fanboy, but after a MacBook Pro that required 6 repairs, I switched to Lenovo).

I've been much happier since switching to Anker chargers, works much better with my Lenovo and drastically more portable than the Apple ones. It's better able to fit certain situations where the Apple brick won't fit into sockets that are close to the ground / desk, at least not without a bulky extension cable.

A bit of snark, but don't forget the Apple charger recall:

https://support.apple.com/ac-wallplug-adapter

(That said, I do think Apple's chargers were designed far better than most, and I loved that they put so much design thought into the world travel kit. Anker doesn't have the interchangeable heads, but it turns out their chargers are multi-region and a simple adapter head does the job just as well, in a smaller form factor than the Apple bricks. I still somewhat miss Magsafe as well, Magsafe 1 was excellent.)

isodev20 minutes ago
Your blind trust in Apple is misplaced :)
applfanboysbgon14 minutes ago
> The USB situation.

> The lie.

> The gap.

> The names.

> The age.

> The trap.

> The buy.

> The truth.

> The chain.

> The lunacy.

> The cheat sheet.

Fucking LLMs have literally ruined the word "the" for me.

sandworm101about 2 hours ago
Yup. I have a work laptop that is meant to charge via USB ... But only one of the two ports will charge ... They are right beside each other! An evil trick at the office is to move someone's USB cable from one port to the other.
benj111about 1 hour ago
Of course there's also the issue of whether your cable is suitable and your charger suitable too.

We appear to have taken a good idea and made it shit very quickly.

nottorp2 minutes ago
> made it shit very quickly

What? The USB mafia has been at it since usb 1.1 or at best 2.0...

i_am_a_peasantabout 1 hour ago
thinkpad?
ameliusabout 2 hours ago
Just switch to a different brand then.
josephg32 minutes ago
Are other brands any better?