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If/when it finally dies (we're on year 6) we'll just buy another one, I guess. The biggest risk for our single household tablet is Apple drops support for it. We have no plans to upgrade it ever, so long as netflix and youtube keep working on it.
I have a now 7(!) year old Tab S5e that I use to consume media, and it's 5.5mm thick, with 10 hours of battery, a 1600x2560 super AMOLED, and quad firing speakers.
Nothing on the market makes me feel I need an upgrade over what was a $400 mid range tablet, because I have an incredible media experience on all my streaming apps.
In my case I use my 8.4" tablet to watch free to air TV with a TVHeadend client for Android (no idea if there is one for iOS.) I run a couple of YouTube alternative apps that Google would love to kill. Firefox. Not much else. It's handy as a portable TV set.
o.g. ?
They’re either using loosely, as in “my first iPad Air purchased”, or tightly, as in "the original iPad Air release", which was in 2013 but could be purchased used, presumably.
I started using "OG" ~16 years ago to disambiguate the Motorola Droid that I had (which was the first Android phone available from Verizon) from the Droid 2, 3, and 4 that came later.
"OG Motorola Droid" has specificity, while "Motorola Droid 1" is something that never existed.
Anyway, my usage is old enough to drive a car. :)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/OG
are these "kids" also in the young republicans group chat?
I replaced it with a Samsung A7. It's even better than the iPad as I could sideload a manga reader that syncs with Komga, amazing stuff to read manga.
And I can install LineageOS if need be.
Objectively a better choice than iPad for me.
Also called trash.
The big issue with old iPads though is that apps drop support for older iPad OS versions. Usually their older versions do keep working, though.
7 years lifespan. My Samsung A7 is nearly there.
The Neo has a great screen and an older iPhone processor. You can take the keyboard off a Neo add a touch screen but you still have to make a device that fits the battery and has all the same technology. You're back to at least a $600 tablet.
For laptops, it seems they had/found that room, but I doubt that room is there for iPads. The low-priced product will have to suffice for browsing, reading, and watching YouTube, and I think that covers the use cases for a large fraction of customers.
Of course, they could go for lower prices, hoping for that to increase iCloud subscription revenues, but long-term, there is a risk of (EU) regulations requiring better competition for that.
Their software is equally average in most respects, and has a far smaller market share worldwide across all form factors they support.
iOS is the reason I'll never own another iPad.
I mean, it's fine that you like it, but "spoilt" seems like an exaggeration.
Is this a serious statement? If Apple's hardware is maybe slightly above average - what's above it? It's an easy company to hate on - but you don't have any other platform integrated as well as Apple's right now IMO. Unless you maybe count Huawei.
Edit: I think I may be referring more to the holistic picture. But still curious what hardware you think is better.
The only hardware I can think of that's consistently higher-quality than Apple is niche stuff at a much higher price point.
e.g. the Seneca keyboard, Sennheiser Orpheus headphones, etc.
I can't fathom why people like that crap apart from looking slick.
Mac OS is shit, and I would unironically prefer to be forced to use Windows at work.
Style over substance. Pure crap to me.
Since their hardware group is t working at promoting their software group they should probably just spin off and do their own thing.
The Nexus and early Pixel eras have been a series of weirdly positioned and priced models year after year. Google didn't even bother trying to sell them in more than a handful countries.
Then Google switched to a pretty bad Exynos based SoC and consistently shipped underwhelming hardware at price points aligned with Apple... requiring absolutely insane discounts or promotion campaigns, even at launch. Can you imagine Apple giving you AirPods Pro or a Watch if you buy the next iPhone 18 on day 1?
We've seen things like the Pixel tablet that should have been sold at half its MSRP to stand even a small chance against the iPad.
And I won't even talk of the many hardware issues... my dad's Pixel 7a was fully reimbursed for 25% more money than he actually spent buying it.
Apple does exactly this, they just launder it out to their carrier partners. My wife's carrier was recently offering a free Apple Watch if you pre-ordered a new iPhone before launch.
Similarly, Apple was already selling a laptop (the M1 MacBook Air) at MacBook Neo prices, but only via Walmart (and they were continuing production of the M1 MBA specifically for this deal).
If you buy an iPhone on day 1 from the Apple store you're certainly not getting any gift or discount. With Google you can pre-order and get a $200-300 gift, wait for deals (Black Friday, Christmas, ...) or if you aren't in a rush, wait six months for resellers and carriers to invariably start dumping their stock at half the MSRP. Meanwhile the base iPhone price has decreased by 10-15% maybe.
And I don't see how older MacBook Airs are relevant here. Apple has always sold previous generations of their hardware for years, directly or indirectly, either by actively maintaining production or simply letting resellers deal with old stocks. Google keeping the previous year generation on their product line-up is a very recent development. Not very long ago they would abruptly stop selling the Pixel N before the N+1 were even announced.
That is just £219 and the article wants £200