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appplication•about 2 hours ago

This was a fun little read. Just through testing the examples, I also learned datalist does not seem to work well on mobile safari (which is a large enough market I might even say there’s essentially no scenario in which it’s worth using if there’s a compatibility issue).

VorpalWay•3 minutes ago

Doesn't work with Firefox on Android either.

MattGaiser•about 2 hours ago

Way back when I was working my first job, datalist didn’t work on Firefox. That’s what got Firefox removed from the list of supported browsers.

It has been a problem for a long time if you want to support anything other than Chrome.

Levitating•27 minutes ago

> It has been a problem for a long time if you want to support anything other than Chrome.

That's partially because Chrome keeps adopting standards nobody else wants to support.

afavour•25 minutes ago

Both things can be true. Chrome supports a bunch of non standard APIs but it also has some of the best coverage of standard APIs.

carlosjobim•about 1 hour ago

They work well but not with GBoard on iOS.

dzonga•about 1 hour ago

this was a dope & comprehensive.

unfortunately we have a new class of dev's that never learned html but went straight for React. Now with LLMs they will never learn HTML.

hence they reach for react components where simple html would have been sufficient.

Ancapistani•28 minutes ago

I think that’s OK.

When I first had to use XML, I had to learn the XML spec and output it manually - serialization libraries didn’t really exist yet. I’ve since seen generation of juniors come up through the ranks using XML as an interchange format (and then JSON) without ever learning it fully. It was fine, and nothing terrible happened.

I’ve seen AJAX go from the hot new thing to people not knowing what it stood for, to now most people not even recognizing the term. AJAX didn’t die; it became so common we don’t need a word for it anymore.

VladVladikoff•about 2 hours ago

>What if there’s a bunch of options, but for [reasons] we don’t want a user to be able to select a subset of them? Let’s add the disabled attribute to an optgroup

Seems broken in mobile safari, not actually disabled I can still select the disabled items.

p2detar•about 2 hours ago

Not broken, but strange since it should be working on latest Safari.

https://caniuse.com/mdn-html_elements_optgroup_disabled

I think it may be a Safari bug.

quantumleaper•about 1 hour ago

Your link states it's not supported in iOS Safari at all, even though it has been supported in macOS Safari since 2013.

tvmalsv•about 1 hour ago

Came here to mention the same thing. Very well be on me, tho. I’m using the Brave browser (is it safari-powered?) and on iOS 18.7.9, which is the newest my old iPhone X supports.

somewhatgoated•about 1 hour ago

I think on iphone everything is safari powered(?)

Also doesnt work for me on iPhone Firefox

nektro•7 minutes ago

TIL <menu>, I wonder why more frameworks don't make use of it.

montroser•about 2 hours ago

Good stuff, except don't get too excited about `datalist`. It just doesn't have enough hooks to be actually useful for anything other than a little prototype.

voidnap•3 minutes ago

I've used a datalist for autocomplete suggestions and it's worked great.

iammrpayments•about 2 hours ago

I think I’ve tried building a combobox using datalist once but it didn’t work

bombcar•36 minutes ago

As you learn more about “raw” html you find all sorts of very fun things that are - ah - not very well implemented if at all.

jdw64•about 2 hours ago

HTML linters actually help distinguish things like that? I'm curious if there are any linters out there that can enforce this kind of semantic tag selection.

wonger_•27 minutes ago

Cloests thing I know of is https://github.com/kristoff-it/superhtml#diagnostics

  SuperHTML validates not only syntax but also element nesting and attribute values. No other language server implements the full HTML spec in its validation code.

jimmaswell•about 2 hours ago

Lots of useful information I wasn't aware of after being a front-end lead for years. I'll start using these at work for sure.

reconnecting•about 2 hours ago

This is how real HTML magic should look like:

  <OL>
      <LI>One</LI>
      <LI>Two</LI>
      <LI>Three</LI>
  </OL>

</MARQUEE>

recroad•about 2 hours ago

    <BLINK>
      <MARQUEE>
        <OL>
          <LI>One</LI>
          <LI>Two</LI>
          <LI>Three</LI>
        </OL>
      </MARQUEE>
    </BLINK>

FTFY

Trufa•about 1 hour ago

blink wont work, but marquee will

wwweston•about 1 hour ago

Not with that attitude:

    <style>
    @keyframes blink {
        0% { opacity: 1; }
        50% { opacity: 0; }
        100% { opacity: 1; }
    }
    
    blink { animation: blink 0.7s infinite; }
    </style>

    <blink>This guy blinks.</blink>

reconnecting•11 minutes ago

Since <BLINK> is gone, `BEHAVIOR=SLIDE` is the closest you'll get.

<MARQUEE DIRECTION="DOWN" BEHAVIOR="SLIDE">Slide</MARQUEE>

reconnecting•about 2 hours ago

WA•about 1 hour ago

And yet, no native select + search combined, which is a very common kind of list. The datalist is basically unusable, because you don't know any of the options.

zombot•about 2 hours ago

What I always wanted to know about lists and never dared to ask!

einpoklum•about 1 hour ago

tl;dr: You _do_ know HTML lists, they're basicaly like they used to be 20 years ago. But there are HTML form controls which are list-like and this will tell you about them: <select> and <datalist> which have <option> elements and <menu> which has <li> elements.

It's a nice read, not very long and you can kind of leisurely skim it.

MagicMoonlight•about 2 hours ago

That’s a really good article. It’s nice to see something which isn’t slop.

lucb1e•10 minutes ago

Somehow I'm still in the mode where I'm surprised where it is, rather than when it isn't, but yeah it's annoyingly often. Do you come across it so much that it's your default expectation now?

Edit: when not reading articles about AI or LLM-found vulnerabilities, of course. Those are universally LLM-supported and... very hit and miss in terms of the application of human quality control, let's say

asveikau•about 2 hours ago

Title reminds me of Joni Mitchell.

    I've looked at lists from both sides now
    From give and take and still somehow
    It's HTML lists' illusions I recall 
    I really don't know HTML lists at all

ale•43 minutes ago

I thought of the 2000 version first which made this much funnier in my head