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haxiomicabout 2 hours ago
> The internal memo from Meta’s Reality Labs notes that the current situation in the U.S was good timing for the feature’s release.

> “We will launch during a dynamic political environment where many civil society groups that we would expect to attack us would have their resources focused on other concerns,” says the document.

https://www.biometricupdate.com/202602/meta-plans-launch-of-...

dgellow29 minutes ago
That's so fucking cynical. I cannot imagine how bad the internal culture has to be for such a thing to be said so openly
hootzabout 2 hours ago
I do photography as a hobby, especially street photography and related styles, and I constantly question myself on the ethics of photographing people in public without permission, even with my huge ass camera. Meanwhile, we have people running spy cameras in their glasses, and they view that as just a normal thing to do. What.
Legend244020 minutes ago
You have no reasonable expectation of privacy in public. It is completely legal to film someone on the street.

This is important for other reasons, as it is the same law that allows you to film cops.

whilenot-dev9 minutes ago
This seems like a US-centric view, because "it is NOT completely legal to film someone on the street" in the european country I live.
drawfloat7 minutes ago
In America. That is not true for all other countries.

And in even more countries it is legal to film, but it's not legal to send that footage back to Meta's servers for use in LLM training.

dgellow12 minutes ago
It's actually country specific, you don't have a universal rule that you can legally record people in public
fusslo13 minutes ago
law != ethics
jamesonabout 1 hour ago
Exactly.

The problem with photo since the birth of social media is that it's permanently stored in the internet, literally.

Photos used to be personal and (mostly) temporary. I may take a photo in public, develop, then share with the close ones and store in the photo book. Photo may be somehow passed onto others but likely thrown away eventually when I become less of importance to them, and it'll worn out.

With photos now uploaded to social media or the "cloud", they exist permanently as a means of backups, sold to 3rd party (knowingly or unknowingly) analyzed to "improve the experience of the platform".

drdaemanabout 1 hour ago
That permanence is a bit of a myth. Bit rot is as real as physical one. At least four cloud storages (Bitcasa, hubiC, Ubuntu One, Cyphertite) I’ve used in the past are gone.
Jblx2about 2 hours ago
I wonder how many surveillance cameras are currently in operation.
hootzabout 2 hours ago
While they are a problem, they are a different problem from spy cameras capturing you up close for the benefit of a single person. Surveillance cameras are for shady governments and maybe "security", camera glasses are for straight up creeps.
basiswordabout 1 hour ago
And we're already seeing a tonne of creepy bastards harassing women using the glasses and they have no recourse because "public place". They should be outright banned imo. I see no benefit to them and I genuinely cannot see the day everyone is running around wearing the same few brands of glasses because they provide that much value. I had to wear regular glasses for a few years and they were a pain in the ass. I'm not doing that voluntarily so I can see live ads and reviews as I walk past restaurants.
vkouabout 2 hours ago
Hell, I (like anyone else) grab photos with my phone on vacation, and when I take a picture of a busy market, I do my best to avoid including people in my photographs.

People in places I visit are just trying to live their lives, they aren't some kind of human zoo for me.

hootzabout 2 hours ago
Yeah, someone giving me even the slightest hint of being uncomfortable already makes me instantly delete their photo. Like, I want to photograph the public without ruining spontaneous moments, but I don't want to make others uncomfortable or mad at me because of my photographs.
drdaemanabout 2 hours ago
Glasses’ camera [usually] sits right next to couple more cameras embedded in wearer’s skull. [Almost] nobody has any problem with those.

That strongly suggests me it’s not the cameras that are problematic, but something about what happens to the images.

vkouabout 2 hours ago
Most people understand that the difference between your camera and your eyes is that one records an image, while the other records a very rough description of an image.
drdaemanabout 2 hours ago
I don’t know how I could’ve made it even more obvious that cameras themselves don’t record anything.
hootzabout 2 hours ago
I guess people wearing spy camera glasses won't do anything at all with the images! /s
drdaemanabout 2 hours ago
My point is, people point at the camera but have actual issues with some potential capabilities of a system that’s not the camera itself but way downstream of it.

Can we please learn to point at correct things? I honestly don’t know what wrong with everyone. It’s like when people have issues with building permits and utility pricing but blame “AI” or “data centers” instead.

everdriveabout 2 hours ago
There's a mad dash right now. Everyone is sprinting as fast as possible to invent and propagate the worst technology possible. Oh, you thought smart phones ruined society? Well good news, smart glasses are finally viable. You just won't believe what they'll come up with next, and everyone will buy it, and everyone will be worse off.
NBJackabout 1 hour ago
Sci-Fi Author: In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale

Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus

Meta: We created the portable Occular Torment Nexus. We believe you should always be present in the Nexus, even with others around you. And thanks to our partnership with Popular Glasses Company, you can be tormented in style!

Legend244013 minutes ago
This is the laziest possible implementation of smart glasses.

What I want is an overlay that gives you useful information about the world. Like you're looking at a store shelf and it tells you if the price is low or high compared to other stores in the area. Or you're fixing your car and it shows the steps you need to execute.

A camera recording is neither smart nor useful IMO.

doubtfuluserabout 2 hours ago
I hope Europe does this for real. I’m wondering how this privacy nightmare is eroding our standards so easily.

I certainly see the potential use of such - but the risks coming with such glasses at least in my opinion outweigh these uses..

Pleas, EU, ban this! Iirc there are already spy cams banned anyway in Germany, this should fall into the same category

dgellow10 minutes ago
The EU (i.e some EU politicians) is considering regulating them, not a full ban
dgellow26 minutes ago
Assuming they are recording strangers speaking in public, that's illegal in Germany without explicit consent: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_st...

Even without sharing the recording.

whiplash451about 2 hours ago
Why are we even allowing this in Europe? These smart glasses are just plain data collection and surveillance in plain sight. When does the nightmare stop?
red_admiralabout 1 hour ago
The EU's tech laws have some good parts and some bad parts. If this goes through, I personally will consider it a very good part.
rimbo789about 2 hours ago
Good. Finally. These never should have even been prototyped. Fool of an idea.
lightedmanabout 1 hour ago
To you, sure. Meanwhile I have about 7 legitimate uses, almost all of them involving recording things down in mines while I need both hands free to keep myself from dying.

You stay in your bubble if it makes you uncomfortable. Real people have real uses for this tech, whether you like it nor not.

Legend24407 minutes ago
I agree, I think people are being far too cynical.

It's just like AI, people discount the positives and magnify the negatives.

adithyareddy37 minutes ago
You can't use a GoPro or one of the many body cameras where it is clearly obvious to everyone who sees you that you:

(a) Have a camera (b) Are recording?

reaperducer39 minutes ago
almost all of them involving recording things down in mines

How are the glasses more beneficial than the far, far more durable helmet-mounted cameras that construction workers use, or the industrial-grade chest-mounted cameras used in many other industries?

Also, how well do the glasses function underground? Are there pico cells down there to provide connectivity?

ChrisArchitectabout 2 hours ago
thatmfabout 2 hours ago
The one thing I appreciate about smart glasses is that it broadcasts the wearer's terrible personality loud and clear and I can thus avoid them.
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Claudusabout 2 hours ago
Smart glasses are for citizens, not subjects.
vkouabout 2 hours ago
Citizens have responsibilities to their society, not just the right to be assholes.