Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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akersten•about 2 hours ago

No mention of a built in camera makes this a total non starter for me. If I'm going all in on an AI helmet it better be able to record front and back so my next of kin can get a payout from whatever pavement princess flattened me in the unprotected bike lane.

tracerbulletx•about 2 hours ago

Its part of a whole prototype system, the cameras would be on the bike, it also mentions radar and all kinds of things. Basically just building a whole sensor suite into a bike platform. Idk how serious they are about it. https://media-centre.canyon.com/en-INT/266864-futuristic-pro...

wxw•about 2 hours ago

So I started biking recently and was hunting for helmets.

And turns out Virgina Tech does a bunch of helmet impact testing and maintains a ranking list https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/. The latest helmets have a releasable layer that absorbs (converts rotational energy?) more impact.

This HUD is pretty slick. In a way, it's more preventative (avoiding accidents) vs. reactive (absorbing impact in an accident) safety which sounds nice.

mft_•about 2 hours ago

> And turns out Virgina Tech does a bunch of helmet impact testing and maintains a ranking list https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/

Thanks for sharing. Interesting to see my Giro (with MIPS) has... 3 stars. Hmmm.

Scoundreller•about 2 hours ago

MIPS is a liner that makes the same helmet a bit better.

A crappy helmet with MIPS is a slightly less crappy helmet that may still be worse than a great non-MIPS helmet.

Like upgrading a 1960 motor vehicle death trap’s 2 point seat belts to 3 point. It’ll help, but it’s still a death trap.

carabiner•about 2 hours ago

I'm pretty convinced mips is just marketing. Hair will do the same thing. That's why in rock climbing world, petzl hasn't even bothered with it when they're usually very forward thinking about their designs (first company to do side impact testing).

mmooss•about 2 hours ago

> Hair will do the same thing.

VA Tech (and others, IIRC) has years of empirical tests that show otherwise. What is your comment based on?

Edit: In fact, if I understand your analysis, humans won't get concussions at all.

snovv_crash•about 2 hours ago

Exactly. Hair and scalp. Evolution already made a MIPS system. The thing lacking it was the test dummies that Virginia Tech uses, so now they recommend we put it in helmets too.

mmooss•about 2 hours ago

Last I knew, several years ago, Virginia Tech tested for concussion prevention and the layer that 'slips' on impact was called the MIPS layer. (Please correct me if that's changed.)

That is important and useful, and is best used in combination with other testing: Bicycling also has many other and more serious risks to cyclist head, including skull fractures, brain damage, and death.

Consumer Reports is another great source (better one IMHO); in their labs they do empirical testing for other outcomes of ~150 helmets, and provide a comprehensive guide to buying helmets:

https://www.consumerreports.org/health/bike-helmets/

In Consumer Reports’ tests, we strap helmets onto “head forms” that simulate the size of a human head, then drop them 14 mph onto a flat anvil to find out how well they withstand impact. An electronic sensor inside the head form monitors the force that would be transmitted to a rider’s skull in an accident.

To ensure the helmet will stay in place during an accident, we test the strength of the chinstraps, attachment points, and buckles by dropping a weight that’s 8¾ pounds and 2 feet so that it yanks on the straps to simulate the force of a crash.

Our testers also evaluate each helmet for ventilation, fit adjustments, ease of use, and other features.

tonymet•about 2 hours ago

MIPS is great but every layer is a tradeoff with venting. without MIPS the vents allow air onto your scalp. with MIPS you effectively have a plastic shower cap over your head, beneath the EVA foam insulator.

I'm anti MIPS

dominotw•about 2 hours ago

oh yea skiing and mountian biking helmets have had mips for years

nntwozz•about 2 hours ago

Oh no I forgot to charge my helmet.

Also, helmets are meant to be replaced every couple of years as the materials deteriorate (UV/heat) and the protection dissipates.

As we like to say, dentist helmet.

Scoundreller•about 2 hours ago

> UV

How can I get people to stop laughing at me for tinfoiling my helmet?

KeplerBoy•about 2 hours ago

Kind of surprising this stuff still is little more than a concept. 12 years after google launched and scrapped it's glasses there are still no well established alternatives for cycling, which is such an obvious market. Everyone is wearing glasses, everyone has a computer mounted to their handlebar, let's integrate them together already.

loeg•about 2 hours ago

It might make more sense to put this in the glasses than attached to the helmet, which is ultimately a consumable. But I basically agree with sibling comment that no one really wants this. (I race bikes and know a lot of other racers.)

Scoundreller•about 1 hour ago

I’ve the same opinion between heated gloves and pogies.

Pogies are great but don’t do you any good off of your bike.

this_user•about 2 hours ago

And everyone will bully you on the group ride if you show up with this.

tokai•about 2 hours ago

With UCI ruling on bike computer sizes in the name of reducing rider distractions, I bet that HUD glasses would be outlawed with post hast if they became a thing in the pro peloton.

freejazz•about 2 hours ago

That's a solution in search of a problem that does not exist. This would, at best, be useful for someone doing a time trial. I don't see road racers using it in any other context.

ethagnawl•about 2 hours ago

I'm sure I'm just being a crotchety old graybeard but I ride my bikes to get away from this crap. I do use Strava to track my rides on my watch but I don't even look at it until the ride is over.

reaperducer•about 1 hour ago

I'm sure I'm just being a crotchety old graybeard but I ride my bikes to get away from this crap.

Don't apologize for being a human being. The world needs more of them.

Gualdrapo•about 2 hours ago

The title is a bit confusing imho, it seems it fits more for time trialing rather than general road riding? I can't see no vents whatsoever, my incredibly sweaty noggin would soak tons of sweat into that thing

loeg•about 2 hours ago

It's not intended to be a real helmet. It's a prototype / marketing exercise. It is inevitably too expensive and/or heavy to be a practical helmet.

msandford•about 2 hours ago

This really seems like a solution in search of a problem. Maybe it would be useful for pro tour riders, but I would guess it'll be banned as not in the spirit of cycle racing. Recumbents would really change the game in the pro tour for speed but the UCI doesn't allow them for the same reason.

Skidaddle•3 minutes ago

This is unfortunately how I feel about AR in general, despite having worked in the space for a while.

nradov•about 2 hours ago

The target market is more likely to be affluent amateurs rather that pros. The pros will typically have a team car or radio for navigation, and aren't as dependent on metrics like power or heart rate for training.

Recumbent bikes might be fun to watch in time trial races but would be ridiculously dangerous in a peloton. Visibility is bad enough on a regular bike when you're at the back of a group, and the lower perspective on a recumbent would make mass crashes even more likely. Yikes.

freejazz•about 2 hours ago

And recumbents on descents? Yeeeucchhh

snovv_crash•about 2 hours ago

At least you crash feet-first.

loeg•about 2 hours ago

The target market is media (and social media). This won't be sold.

chollida1•about 2 hours ago

I use a Garmin edge bike computer and a Garmin tail light with lidar that shows cars as they come up from behind on you on the computer screen and give audio alert as well.

That works well enough for most road riding. I wonder if having a reverse view mapped onto my glasses would be an improvement or take away from my focus.

1shooner•about 2 hours ago

So about the lidar: what does that actually do for you? Or I should say, what do you do in response to it? Do you yield more road space if it tells you a car is approaching? I've been trying to understand what good such an alert actually does for an otherwise attentive rider.

blacksmith_tb•about 2 hours ago

As someone who commutes in traffic daily, this is not what I need or want. First up, it looks heavy and badly-ventilated, and then there's the potential for distracting info blocking my view of the actual road in front of me. Even if it was really good info (which would take really good sensors, plus a lot of compute to cram onboard), I am skeptical it'd be better than, you know, paying attention to your surroundings. I like ADAS functionality in modern cars just fine, but it seems like a stretch to try and bring it to bikes. What we all could use is some kind of ad hoc network between all road users, so the car that was thinking about turning in front of me could ping my helmet / bike and understand that it should wait and turn behind me instead.

bdavbdav•about 2 hours ago

I get the impression that this is not where it’s aimed.

airstrike•about 2 hours ago

I feel like this would work better if it were cheap enough to serve Uber Eats delivery workers instead of pro riders.

bdavbdav•about 2 hours ago

I’m not sure they need any more distractions

coredog64•about 2 hours ago

I didn't see anything in the press release about notifying riders that they're not a quantum superposition of vehicle and pedestrian that can collapse into whatever legal domain they feel is most convenient.

radley•about 2 hours ago

Smart ski googles have had this for a while.

chadrs•about 2 hours ago

HUD won't protect from a driver texting and running you over!

rustcleaner•about 1 hour ago

What will protect is taking bicycles off motor vehicle roadways, and laying down new, much narrower bicycle-exclusive roads all over instead. It doesn't make sense to mix the slower and vulnerable bicycle traffic with the faster and safer motor vehicles!

Scoundreller•about 2 hours ago

Thanks to LaWs, people do this with their phone on their lap instead of held up with a forward field of view. Yay?

recursive•about 2 hours ago

Neither will anything else, so that's not really a competitive disadvantage.

Zambyte•about 2 hours ago

Well, a wall will. It might even dissuade them from trying.

nradov•about 2 hours ago

There have been a few attempts at devices like this before such the Everysight Raptor and Garmin Varia Vision but none of them ever found mainstream adoption. In principle a HUD with navigation cues and key cycling metrics would be nice to have. But the devices have always had problems such as poor integration with bike computers or discomfort on long rides or incompatibility with prescription lenses or just looking goofy. Road cyclists aren't necessarily shy about wearing stupid looking kit but there are limits, and this new Canyon helmet looks like you're cosplaying as a stormtrooper.