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torben-friisabout 1 hour ago
I think the argument is misguided, even if I agree with the principle: it is based in the effort one puts in and how it's similar to a sport.

I don't care whether my favorite author sweated for months facing a typewriter, of he effortlessly dictated the final form of the book in one sitting to a secretary while sipping mojitos.

I think my issue with AI has more to do with the signal it sends: reading takes effort, particularly literature, and I use the author's name as a proxy to judge whether to invest that effort myself. Nothing bad in selling dollar store crap, but it's bad to put 'Nike' on it.

Your individuality is what you sell as an author. I can get access to the LLM without you.

dist-epoch22 minutes ago
> I can get access to the LLM without you.

And you can read a car maintenance book. That doesn't mean you can fix your car now.

The author vouched the LLM output using their experience, that's what you get. Unless you are as experienced in their domain, it will take you time to figure out if the output of your LLM prompt is correct or non-sense.

f4stjackabout 1 hour ago
The problem lies with people trying to claim credit without doing the work: writing. AI is a fantastic tool that catches flow errors, grammar problems and punctuation misuse, just like a copywriter. But copywriters don't get bylines.

My line is clear, if you use copy paste the AI output that's not your writing. I am okay with AI collaboration - it detects the errors, you decide what to do with them.

Alien1Being29 minutes ago
I want to read Ray Bradbury and Jack Vance, not Claude's output based on a prompt from a barely literate would-be.

I want to read code by Abrash, Peyton Jones and Karpathy, not Claude's output based on a prompt from a third rater.

If you send me AI generated writing, I will have my AI agent read it and respond to it.

Meanwhile I will use my limited human time to engage with humans and human created content.

mjd39 minutes ago
I would never use AI for something where I need my own voice, say a blog post or a personal letter.

But I'm not ashamed to say that I used it last week in a chat conversation with a recruiter to turn this:

    1. I just said I'm hard of hearing and prefer text.
    2. If it's only two minutes you can darn well send email.
into this:

    As I mentioned, I'm hard of hearing and phone calls are difficult for me —
    I find I miss things and it's frustrating for both sides. If it's just a
    couple of minutes' worth of information, an email works great and I can
    give you a thoughtful response. Happy to go from there!
I'm not ashamed, I think I'm right, and I'll do it again. This recruiter didn't deserve my authentic voice or my personal toil, not for this task.

If it makes James Bach think I'm a liar, that's a price I'm willing to pay.

eloisius32 minutes ago
What was the value-add of AI here? Some modicum of undeserved politeness instead of the curt bullet points you prompted with? Or an intentional “fuck you” by sending something sloppy with AI tells?
mjd20 minutes ago
Your use of the phrase “undeserved politeness” suggests to me that maybe you aren't someone I should look to for advice on how to behave.
eloisius3 minutes ago
That's probably true, but to be clear, I'm not communicating my own values here. I'm trying to understand your rationale.

>This recruiter didn't deserve my authentic voice or my personal toil

Yet they deserve inauthentic politeness from a chatbot? It just sounds like "fuck you" with more steps.

Freak_NL26 minutes ago
It definitely reads as a 'fuck you' to me. Is there a group of people that responds well to that last sentence?
mjd17 minutes ago
Perhaps I'm wrong, but yes, I believe there is. Your own personal preferences are not universal.
iLoveOncall27 minutes ago
You need AI to write 2 sentences?
mjd24 minutes ago
Two sentences in recruiter register, yes. I'm really bad at it and I do need help.
iLoveOncall21 minutes ago
So maybe a call is in fact better than an email?
anupshindeabout 1 hour ago
When I write something heavily edited by AI - I mention that I use AI assistance (not AI led thinking). I will probably remove that because the perception is quite different. Its like applying one applying to an engineering job but write "a pychic, a medium" in a corner of their resume.

It is very common to see that any interesting thought gets immediately tagged like AI slop and the real AI slop wins. Try an A/B test and you shall see that AI actually wins because of the people who hate AI. Most people cannot distinguish between a human and a AI written post and yet those same people want to be judgemental. And the people who are against AI and say "its just the next token generator and I don't use it" and yet use autocomplete on their mobiles are just duplicit. And yes AI is the next-token-generator, we have no proof that most humans were not brainwashed to become the same.

ElProlactinabout 2 hours ago
AI could have helped the author write what he's trying to say in one three word sentence: don't use AI.

Because in his view, if you use AI and don't disclose it, you're a liar. And if you use AI and disclose it, he won't trust you anyway.

nkriscabout 2 hours ago
It’s a perfectly reasonable position, though that may be because I share it.

If you’ve “written” something with AI, I have idea if you even read it, thus I have no idea if it even really reflects your thoughts. And I don’t care what a computer has to say, I care what a human has to say.

cryo3232 minutes ago
I fully agree with this.

The problem we have now is determining if the person actually wrote it. It suddenly got a lot easier for people to get someone else to generate text. And there are a lot more lazy humans than skilled writers.

diydspabout 1 hour ago
That's an argument against people actng lszy, not against them using ai.
locknitpickerabout 1 hour ago
> If you’ve “written” something with AI, I have idea if you even read it, thus I have no idea if it even really reflects your thoughts. And I don’t care what a computer has to say, I care what a human has to say.

At a more fundamental level, if AI generated it then I have no trust it is actually true or reflects facts or matches reality. It's insulting to throw AI slop at us because you expect us to read something you didn't bothered to write or perhaps even read. The text is probably all wrong with a veneer of well sounding verbiage, and potentially is created to drive engagement instead of actually communicating useful information.

kennywinkerabout 2 hours ago
And the great gatsby can be summarized as “rich guy throws parties and then dies” - but sometimes saying something slowly is the point. Sometimes doing something slowly is the point too.
throwawaysoxjjeabout 2 hours ago
That summary makes the point but doesn’t communicate the meaning
ElProlactinabout 2 hours ago
You're right, but I don't think there's anything particularly insightful about the author's perspective.

People are allowed to set their expectations/standards but in 2026 taking the position that use of AI is lying (when not disclosed) and trust destroying (when disclosed) is basically going to set you up for a lot of disappointment. It's just unrealistic.

For better or worse, AI is being used everywhere and it's harder and harder to spot, especially when the use is "thoughtful". Your only real defense is to think critically about the content you're consuming to determine whether it's accurate and has value.

BrenBarnabout 1 hour ago
> People are allowed to set their expectations/standards but in 2026 taking the position that use of AI is lying (when not disclosed) and trust destroying (when disclosed) is basically going to set you up for a lot of disappointment. It's just unrealistic.

Better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.

dist-epoch30 minutes ago
> My policy is that I never let AI draft anything for me that has my name on it. Not one sentence. Nothing. Ever.

> If AI deeply collaborates with you to write something, why am I saying you shouldn’t say you used AI? Because all I have is your word for it that you did any work at all.

So using author's logic, I should not trust them when they say they never use AI for writing, because all we have is their word.

> “I’m a skilled liar. I frequently tell lies. But don’t worry, I wouldn’t lie to you!”

Interesting how saying you used any amount of AI instantly labels you as "a skilled liar" to the author.

yieldcrv37 minutes ago
ghostwriter says not to use ghostwriter

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