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embedding-shape40 minutes ago
> Frontier-level performance without single-vendor dependency. [...] Plug collective intelligence directly into your workflows today with a single API.

Does multiple vendors run this "single API" or how is this not replacing a single-vendor dependency for another single-vendor dependency?

GolfPopper7 minutes ago
This is a joke, right?
ed_mercerabout 1 hour ago
So basically... openrouter?
alasano29 minutes ago
OpenRouter Fusion is basically ask N models + synthesizer step.

This is ask a special orchestrator they built, which is in front of a bunch of models, which model would suit the request best.

Regular Fugu seems to be just "pick the best model and route the request there"

Fugu Ultra can generate like a little mini workflow/plan instead to achieve a result

1. Ask GPT to derive the math. 2. Ask Opus to check for implementation/security issues. 3. Ask Gemini to synthesize or resolve disagreement. 4. Return final answer.

I could be wrong but seems to be that at a glance, so I think it's more dynamic than OpenRouter Fusion.

eevmanu43 minutes ago
eevmanu30 minutes ago
Fugu Ultra <https://console.sakana.ai/models#fugu-ultra> sounds similar to GPT-5.5 Pro or Gemini 3.1 Deep Think .

Is there any official source that could confirms if Fable (or Mythos) is parallelized test-time compute (like GPT 5.5 Pro) or sparse Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) transformer combined with a multi-agent, inference-time compute scaling architecture (Gemini 3.1 Deep Think)?

adamnemecek16 minutes ago
Seems kinda underwhelming considering they raised like $400M.
bprasanna21 minutes ago
Isn't this what perplexity is?
nickandbroabout 1 hour ago
Very interesting. I wonder if its kinda functions similarly to how OpenRouter's fusion API does. Hopefully isn't too long to respond.
ljlolel42 minutes ago
Yea similar, possibly even more steps / slower. I put together an all open source fusion at 1/3 of price of Fable: https://trustedrouter.com/blog/open-fusion-beats-fable-5

We open sourced it all

and will be releasing a similar orchestrator next week on TrustedRouter

stygiansonicabout 1 hour ago
From a brief reading of what Fusion does: https://openrouter.ai/docs/guides/features/plugins/fusion

Looks like Fusion calls a bunch of models and then uses an LLM to synthesize the results, and pass to another model for final output.

Fugu looks like it's doing something different? Using an LLM earlier on in the flow as an orchestrator to decide which other LLMs to call. More coordinator than simply synthesizing results, and more "agentic".

It's interesting because it's all exposed behind a single OpenAI compatible endpoint (Responses API?) and so then presumably someone could use this for one of their single agents. Now you have agent-of-agents, nested in some sense. The token usage increases accordingly!

ljlolelabout 1 hour ago
I’ve also developed and open-sourced Mythos level model using fusion/synthesis on TrustedRouter

https://trustedrouter.com/blog/fusion-evals-open-source

nixosbestos15 minutes ago
AI noob question, is this like Amp? I just use Amp, I ask it to do neat stuff and it does it. I desperately need to invest in my AI skills but every day I open two new tabs and add it to "AI stuff" folder, and then go back to drowning in work to do.