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bhelkeyabout 1 hour ago
The US spent $2 Trillion dollars on Medicare and Medicaid in 2024 [1][2]. If the US spent this money as efficiently as Japan (or UK [3], ...) it could pay for Healthcare for every single resident with this $2 Trillion dollars.

[1] https://www.kff.org/medicaid/medicaid-financing-the-basics/#...

[2] https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-does-medicare-cost-the...

[3] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy7zvp5xrqo

brandonbabout 2 hours ago
IMO, there's an interesting opportunity for AI to make healthcare deflationary.

For example, Medicare is launching a new program in July that pays a fixed rate for achieving defined outcomes, like lowering blood pressure or cholesterol. Medicare's explicit goal here is to create incentives to automate the repetitive parts of care delivery with software. (Much of preventive cardiology is surprisingly algorithmic and guideline-driven, so this is more plausible than it seems.)

This reverses the incentives of the current system, where CPT codes incentivize doing more "stuff" (but not necesarily delivering the most effective care efficiently).

If you're a software engineer who cares about health, and have been sitting on the sidelines till now, I think the next few years are a really interesting time to make a contribution.

ballsacabout 1 hour ago
> IMO, there's an interesting opportunity for AI to make healthcare deflationary.

How many times have I heard this, about how many techs. But this time for real?

Health spending in the us is too tied up with the country’s economy for it to ever be reduced. Same goes for housing. The cost of both of these will continue to increase. As long as the investor class is satisfied, this is all that matters.

JumpCrisscrossabout 1 hour ago
> Health spending in the us is too tied up with the country’s economy for it to ever be reduced. Same goes for housing

These are massively incomparable. Most householders live in homes they own. Those homes, moreover, are usually a substantial if not dominating fraction of their net worth. And they're leveraged. This produces a broad level of interest in maintaning or raising home prices.

Healthcare is more narrowly owned. It's not as leveraged. And very few housholds have a commanding fraction of their net worth in healthcare assets.

lovichabout 1 hour ago
It is however a highly inelastic good and some of the most expensive care happens when the person who ends up paying isn’t in the state of mind to make decisions such as being unconscious for emergency care, or late in life when dealing with dementia and other diseases that rob you of your faculties. It’s primed to be able to extract everything because most people value being alive above everything else.
skt5about 2 hours ago
> If you're a software engineer who cares about health, and have been sitting on the sidelines till now, I think the next few years are a really interesting time to make a contribution.

do you have thoughts on what that looks like? what does the hiring landscape look like?

tocs318 minutes ago
do you have thoughts on what that looks like?

There is so much to be done and it is not going to be solved by any one thing. That in mind, something like an independent third party patient advocates / advisors would be great. It is hard to be an informed patient these days, Navigating insurance and paperwork is tough and getting second opinions is sometimes had.

brandonbabout 1 hour ago
Right now lots of good health companies hiring, including my own (Empirical). https://www.workatastartup.com/ lets you filter YC companies to see health startups, by stage and location (or remote).
vitally3643about 1 hour ago
"AI will solve this deeply rooted social problem" is, and forgive my bluntness, is one of the most idiotic AI opinions I've seen this week.

The only thing that will fix American healthcare is absolute abolishment of private insurance. That's it. No amount of gentle incentive tweaking or whizbang technology is going to solve the fundamental problem of human greed and immorality.

Allowing private health insurance to exist is inhumane and can only result in profit extraction and exploitation of the most vulnerable members of society whose only options are literally to pay up or die.

That's the break. We've allowed profit-seeking individuals to stand in between citizens and literal life saving medicine. And you think the solution to that is to add more middlemen and profiteering exploitative corporations. Utter insanity.

The solution is to make it illegal for anyone to say "no, you may not have this life saving medication or proceedure". The solution is to remove profit from medicine. To allow profiteering and gatekeeping of people's very lives is immoral in the extreme. Giving more private corporations more influence is insanity. The solution is less private influence of medicine, not more.

alex001524 minutes ago
How exactly do you propose to "remove profit from medicine?" If someone wants to have a procedure done and their insurance doesn't want to pay, they can still pay the doctor to get it done themselves. And it will still be very expensive because doctors in the US are used to charging very high salaries and using medical equipment and medicines that cost a lot of money. Insurance companies are required by law to use 80 percent of their income to pay claims out to their customers already. Medicine costs a lot.
tencentshillabout 2 hours ago
$16,500 per person is insane. Someone is charging way too much for goods and services, and someone is paying it with no questions asked.
downrightmikeabout 2 hours ago
The Seven-Times Markup: The Johns Hopkins study analyzed the nation's top 100 hospitals by revenue and found that their "chargemaster" prices (the initial sticker price) averaged 700% of the actual cost of providing the service.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/top-100-us-hos...

kelseyfrogabout 1 hour ago
We could end the Triffin dilemma by no longer maintaining the dollar as the unit of international reserve. This would eliminate the biggest driver of the trade deficit and via a reversing of the Baumol effect, lower the price of health care and education.

The only problem? No one has the political will to do it.

> Someone is charging way too much for goods and services

It's more money chasing meager supply. They're charging market rates. However when the market is distorted through the described arrangement, it's clear what has to change - the structure of international finance.

androiddrewabout 1 hour ago
The plan to extract as much wealth as possible out of families with members near end of life is showing excellent results.
Benderabout 2 hours ago
How much of that spending is continuously treating symptoms vs. finding and curing root causes? At what point do the pentagon and other agencies step in and treat this like an unsustainable existential threat to the country?
2OEH8eoCRo038 minutes ago
Never going to happen. Look how people freaked when politely asked to wear a mask.
downrightmikeabout 2 hours ago
Surprised a healthcare CEO hasn't tried to bribe the gov to just let them be the only game in town.
tocs316 minutes ago
Aren't they about the only game in town?
MoonWalk43 minutes ago
Paywalled.