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goldenarm27 minutes ago
Why post a Google docs copy of the original article?

https://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/post/leaving-google/

layer818 minutes ago
Discussion of the blog post (284 comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48496396

The blog post now also contains a second addendum that the Google doc doesn't have.

jchw26 minutes ago
I think that article is rather a copy of the original Google Doc, judging by the included go link.
bix625 minutes ago
> Google was a different company 9 years ago.

No it wasn’t.

shantnutiwari21 minutes ago
yeah, looks like some history rewriting.

9 years ago was 2017-- and by that time Google was already doing sleazy SEO shit, scanning peoples emails to who them ads, trying to make ads seem like general search results etc etc

Google was *exactly* this company it is today

w4der17 minutes ago
The "Don't be evil" motto was diluted in 2015 when alphabet was formed, and taken down in 2018, so yeah, things were brewing from before.
ethbr14 minutes ago
Morals only matter when they restrain someone from doing something beneficial to themselves.

Absent a stake in the outcome, it's just virtue signaling.

And when Google was forced to choose between juicing ad revenue and its morals, it chose the former.

skeeter202011 minutes ago
"Google was a different company n years ago" where n is how long they've been there + ~6 to 12 months
szundi24 minutes ago
16 years ago it was
mDyJzDPmBdGabout 3 hours ago
Isn't his just weird repost of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48496396 ?
bArrayabout 2 hours ago
Maybe send it out like a leak to get more attraction?
jnainaabout 3 hours ago
moral clarity usually sharpens the moment the last RSU hits the brokerage account
DannyBeeabout 2 hours ago
Sometimes.

Sometimes not.

I left with more than 4 million in RSU's left.

Pretty much any Googler who leaves will be leaving lots of money on the table.

This is because they are usually 3/4 year grants, so it's pretty much impossible to leave without lots of unvested RSU.

There are some 1 year grants, but those are much more uncommon (~1%)

colordrops18 minutes ago
This must have been a long time ago? Because that's leaving over a billion dollars "on the table" at the current price.
pressbuttons1 minute ago
"in RSUs", I think that meant $4M, not 4M shares.
ejosoabout 1 hour ago
You realize how insanely privileged that is?

Not just the facts but the frame. Amazing.

RHSeegerabout 1 hour ago
And yet it directly speaks to the comment it was replying to. It makes the point that RSUs are generally multi-year; so if you're getting them with _any_ frequency, you never get to the point of "the last RSU vests".
lulzuryabout 2 hours ago
Alphabet dropped “don’t be evil” from its moto in 2015. This guy went in knowing how the sausage was being made.
crispyambulance8 minutes ago
Motto's, slogans, mission statements...

All of these things are 100% bullshit and always have been. It's tragic that Google actually had people believing them when they championed "don't be evil".

john_strinlaiabout 1 hour ago
they did not. it’s still right there in the code of conduct

https://abc.xyz/investor/board-and-governance/google-code-of...

scroll to the bottom

nairboonabout 1 hour ago
> scroll to the bottom

that illustrates the point nicely...

watwutabout 1 hour ago
That is not corporate motto.
rvzabout 2 hours ago
Maybe they should not have joined the company in the first place if they had "morals" or "principles". Yet they still joined in 2017 even after knowing that slogan was removed anyway.

Company mottos, principles, slogans and values are all fake fronts to lure in these sort of people alongside the free food with the carrots on those sticks.

Once that all runs out or the company goes south and stops being a daycare, then they start doing silly virtue signalling posts like this.

Now you are seeing who was there for the 'good vibes', free food, rest n' vest and who was there to keep the company alive.

...And finally we know that this is a love letter to get themselves hired at Anthropic. I think you might need more than that honestly.

debo_about 1 hour ago
Post-deposit clarity
honeybadger123 minutes ago
yep, and happy to make everyone around them feel guilty when they got theirs. i strongly dislike people who do this performative crap while unfortunately believing in their right to say it.
ProllyInfamousabout 1 hour ago
>*"You cannot explain something to somebody whose livelihood depends upon [others] not understanding..."

Something. $omething. something. $teinbeck?

throwaway203718 minutes ago
Exactly.

<rant> I am so tired of reading these stupid "why I am leaving my job after making millions". One thing I can say about myself: I work for money. That's it. Lots of things the companies that I work for (normally 25,000+ employees) do immoral and unethical things. Still, I stay, earn money, and I don't write stupid fucking self-righteous blog posts after I leave. At this point, blog posts like this look like an "own goal". </rant>

antfarm1 minute ago
This was never about you, throwaway.
BikiniPrince14 minutes ago
Also his complaints about morale compass failure are largely activism goals. Hard to make money when you waste it.

I tell employers I’m clearly a mercenary and I am only here for the money. I do great work, but I’ve been compensated well.

Bluescreenbuddy28 minutes ago
Google never had a moral compass. They went in, got their money, and left when it was easy and barely affected them. They still profited.
nla6 minutes ago
I cannot imagine allowing identity politics to drive your career decisions.
aoshifo1 minute ago
Then, I'm sorry to say, you have no spine
BLKNSLVRabout 2 hours ago
Whilst I appreciate the commitment to their values, I wonder where they stand on the 'safety' of their users as it relates to the Android Developer Verification update (currently top of HN, here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48755965).

"Security" vs Openness

> “make things so secure that we ourselves can’t break them, whether the device costs $1000 or $100, or the user is a celebrity or a refugee“

That can mean different things to different people in different contexts. Could easily mean building a software platform with security features that banks will build their apps to require.

jasonvorheabout 2 hours ago
That is wasn't even covered says enough for me.
loeber2 minutes ago
Pathetic whining. He's upset that Google abandoned their carbon-neutral goal? Welcome to the real world, adults deal in trade-offs, and Google must play in AI or resign itself from the future of technology. And similarly, America has military interests that demand the involvement of the private sector. You'd think that after four years of war a few hundred miles from Austria's borders, this man would start to get it. But he's still living in the ivory tower of luxury beliefs.
hadi77irabout 1 hour ago
he resigned because of... "politics"? and not because of the path Google has chosen for Android security?
rpdillon41 minutes ago
The only stated reason for his resignation is that Google is no longer adhering to their promise to not use AI for weapons. I was surprised that the reasoning was so one-dimensional.
datakan26 minutes ago
While I don't agree with the author exactly, I do admire someone sticking to their guns (no pun intended). Like Oscar Wild said, "Morality, like art requires drawing a line somewhere".

One of my favorite 80's movies was Real Genius with Val Kilmer. He accidentally helps develop a weapon and then goes to extreme measures to prevent its use. For some people creating weapons is a line they wont cross and that's not a bad thing.

jasonlotito1 minute ago
He has not been responsible for Android Security since 2019.

https://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/post/leaving-google/

vrganjabout 1 hour ago
They are one and the same.
ChrisArchitectabout 1 hour ago
[dupe] Discussion on website source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48496396
robotmaxtronabout 2 hours ago
google used to be cool
Aldipowerabout 1 hour ago
25 years ago
DonHopkins26 minutes ago
Not as cool as Yahoo! used to be.
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AlexandrBabout 1 hour ago
Why is this a Google doc and not just an HTML page? I was super-confused when the links didn't behave like normal links. This is like when people post a screenshot of an Apple note.
jqpabc123about 2 hours ago
"Don't be evil" was just a diversion from a path that was laid out from the beginning.

And it worked --- for a while. Until the path became impossible to deny.

jasonvorheabout 2 hours ago
Yeah, I'm sure the "don't be evil" charade was good marketing from the get-go or else they would've never taken In-Q-Tel funding.
sherburt3about 1 hour ago
These tech-bro public resignations are so tedious. Ostensibly he seems fine with the existence of AI mass surveillance and AI powered murderbots but he just never envisioned a scenario where they would get used that wasn't congruent with his politics.
cmaabout 1 hour ago
Ratified treaties are the supreme law of the land and he's pointing out "all lawful uses" isn't what the admin says it is.
sherburt336 minutes ago
That doesn't appear to be stopping the current administration. That's why I think you should be more concerned about the tools of oppression existing rather than the laws that govern them.
cmrdporcupine15 minutes ago
I came to Google via acquisition end of 2011 and left end of 2021. Google bought my employer so it could further cement its display ads monopoly. They never had a moral compass, they just wore one was a costume so that nobody would dig too closely into its business practices.

We got to wave pitchforks and ask tough questions at TGIF for a while, and march in pride parades under a Google banner, and get fed nice treats and the like but under it all was still just an old fashioned railway monopoly.

A huge fire hose of cash that let it play in all sorts of domains and espouse some vaguely California Ideology liberal/libertarian ideals while doing it.

But the moment that monopoly came under threat and the moment they felt they no longer needed the costume, it came off.

Google never had a moral compass. Anybody who thought it did was naive. It's not possible for a corporate entity to have one.

ubermonkey40 minutes ago
This dude only now thinks Google has lost its moral compass? In 2026?

Bruh.

nicolaslegland39 minutes ago
"I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy"
bparsons9 minutes ago
I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
jongjongabout 1 hour ago
It's a systemic issue unfortunately. When some of these unethical CEOs say that they feel like they have no control and that if they didn't do it, someone else would, I believe them and it makes sense. That's why they should try to reform the system.
vrganjabout 4 hours ago
This mirrors my own experience as a European that worked at FAANG in the Bay Area.

It used to be a dream job. Now I've relocated back to Europe and want nothing to do with American Big Tech. It's become toxic and completely counter to my values.

America has become a much darker place that has a very different place in the world. American tech companies have not just accepted, but actively embraced this transition. I am not interested in joining them and being complicit.

sailfast23 minutes ago
European companies aren’t much different so just be sure to check where you stand first before you’re SURE you’ve actually escaped.
jonnybgoodabout 3 hours ago
Darker than what other point in America’s history?
wvhabout 2 hours ago
Perhaps darker than the initial mild optimism of the early internet.
smackeyackyabout 2 hours ago
It is easy to forget US history as the vast majority of us have only been exposed to the 1960s to 2000s era which in retrospect seem like an anomaly.
Laurel1234about 1 hour ago
I'm glad to see Europeans wising up about the US. But as a Latin American whose country suffered from the US-backed Operation Condor, Yankees being soulless subhuman scum is nothing new. Europe was just too glad to reap the benefits as US allies to care about the truth.

The CIA instigated a coup in Guatemala in '54 which led to a civil war and the Maya genocide.

sailfast25 minutes ago
BIT of a broad brush there but we can take the critique.

While we vote for our leaders we don’t exactly get a say or have awareness of what sort of covert bullshit some over eager Yale graduate is doing as a top secret operation.

FpUser38 minutes ago
>" I still believe in Android as the (currently) best end-user facing operating system for mobile devices, with its balance between openness, flexibility, and security."

I do not give a shit whether it is the best. If one can be cut off instantly by whims of some algo with no recourse - thank you but I'll pass. Yes I still use Android phone but mostly as phone, GPS and camera all of which can be replaced.

I do not develop for Android or iOS exactly for the reason of not being in control. Stick to desktops, servers and browsers as deployment platforms

raverbashingabout 3 hours ago
While I can understand the concerns, I wouldn't use a google doc to air my grievances though
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hagbard_cabout 1 hour ago
I stopped reading at "Yes, Trump was already president" 'cause I've read enough of such diatribes to know where this is going. As if things were better when Biden was president and 'Big Tech' was used as the censorship organ of the regime. Remember Biden's Ministry of Truth czar Nina Jankovicz? What about Katherine Maher, NPR's CEO who stated that Our reverence for the truth might be a distraction getting in the way of finding common ground & getting things done? Trump is not the cause of the decline in public trust, he is the result of that decline.

Ultimately it all probably goes back to the fall of the Soviet Union and with that the loss of the clear 'good vs. bad/us vs. them' distinction which could be used to distract people on both sides from the rot in their midst. Politicos have always been corrupt no matter their colours or stripes but when the world was a simpler place - the Free West versus the Evil Empire, before that the Allies against the Axis - there was a common enemy for the people to refer to. Yes, some "democrats" already tried to take the side of the Soviets but they were in a minority while most of the Democratic party considered the politics and culture of the USA and the western alliance to be preferable over those of the Soviet Union and its satellite states as well as Communist China. They preferred "our" corrupt politicians over "their" corrupting ideology, i.e. they might be assholes but they're OUR assholes. When the eastern bloc dissolved the western alliance was like the dog which had caught the car: clueless as to what to do next. Fukuyama thought we were at the end of history but as anyone who had read a bit of (real) history could then already see this was a nonsensical idea. We're now experiencing the effects of that lack of vision which led to a 'Free West' which has taken over a number of the bad habits "we" accused the eastern bloc countries of and with that the term 'Free West' deserves to be quoted.

It is up to us, those living in the western alliance countries to try to keep the authoritarians at bay and no, I'm not only talking about Trump. I'm talking about the Communists (who call themselves 'democratic socialists') taking over the "democratic" party, the the "woke right" (for lack of a better term, i.e. right-wingers who adopt progressive-style shaming, tribalism and purity tests to defend distorted conservative values [1]) attempting to make inroads, the authoritarians on all sides who see works like 1984 and Brave New World as instruction manuals, those who read Howard Zinn and believed all he wrote, etc.

[1] https://newdiscourses.com/2025/07/a-beginners-guide-to-the-w...

urbsgpw35 minutes ago
I find it laughable how when all of these platforms were aligned with the Dems the same behavior was ok (and it was those darned russians that were the problem on facebook and other platforms), whereas now that the tables have turned (for now...), it's all the end of the world.

Whereas the feature of these platforms - their incredible power - was always the same. The outrage is then just a function of a person's preferences.

anon700029 minutes ago
What behavior was fine, exactly?
okokwhateverabout 1 hour ago
Can anyone in this industry really say goodbye without posting it? We act like artists, believing our ideals will illuminate the world with our moral compass.

This is surreal.

anon700031 minutes ago
Not until tech companies stop pretending tech jobs are special. It’s part of the entire industry culture at this point that you join certain positions to “make a big difference.”

Yet most startups are just b2b AI sass or whatever.

assimpleaspossiabout 1 hour ago
The last time I worked for someone else was 1992 so one didn't really use personal sites like this where one would whine about why they left their job for all the world to see. We all have our reasons for quitting but something like this just gathers the "Yeah!!" crowd but no one gains anything from it and it's quickly forgotten.

You've already forgotten the content of his post now. Right?

afavourabout 1 hour ago
> The last time I worked for someone else was 1992

Sometimes it’s fine to see a topic and tell yourself “I have no relevant knowledge in this area so I won’t comment”.

jofzar38 minutes ago
1992 is actually insane, this is before common commercial email.
john_strinlai2 minutes ago
>but no one gains anything from it

venting can be helpful mentally/emotionally.

readers can feel solidarity, comfort in a shared experience, etc.

PedroBatistaabout 1 hour ago
Good for you, just try to remember those old days when you complained about bosses and "whine" about things to your friends and some work colleges about day to day stuff. Now think what you would say about a situation when you were fed up and had to quit because you couldn't take it anymore and every day you had these tasks going against your values ( doesn't matter if they are "right" or "wrong", they are yours ).

Also, Google is a multi-billion dreadnought with hundreds of millions of dollars for PR, lawyers and lobbying every year. I'm sure they can take a post about someone "whining" and quitting their job in disagreement. Something tells me Google be fine...

cyanydeezabout 1 hour ago
everyone _works for someone else_, it's entirely about what the structure of that relationship is.

You don't make your own food do you? Build your own car? Make your own git repos?

Seems like you might want to have a better view about who you work for.

assimpleaspossi15 minutes ago
Your comment has nothing to do with what I wrote.