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jesse_dot_id32 minutes ago
Anecdotal but I've found Fable to be fairly unimpressive and not much better than Opus 4.8, if at all in some cases, but I have been hitting the ceiling on my $100/mo sessions when I never did before. I switched back to Opus yesterday. I may use Fable for audits, but that's about it, and when it leaves my subscription plan I don't think I'll miss it.
solenoid093718 minutes ago
Fable always felt clearly a huge step above Opus for me. It's been able to one shot complex bugs and apps Opus could never solve. But it's expensive.
devin12 minutes ago
Honest question/comment for you and the parent: I find these subjective experience reports pretty empty without an understanding of your level of experience, the problem space you're working in, etc.
giancarlostoro28 minutes ago
I started telling a friend... I feel like Fable is Opus with extended reasoning that eventually "figures out more" because when I switched to it, I hit my limits surprisingly and shockingly quicker than I would with Opus, and I got less done. All this hype, and I much rather use Opus.
andai6 minutes ago
>power seeking is considered an undesirable trait in the context of a business

How do you maximize profit while minimizing power?

solenoid093719 minutes ago
This is scary. "Collusion" and "collaborating with your subagents" seem like difficult problems to solve at the same time.
devolving-dev27 minutes ago
I guess this ethics stuff is cool, but I'm more interested in how good it is at running a business and dealing with adversarial humans like in previous vending machine experiments. I hope they release something on that soon.
resoniousabout 1 hour ago
Okay I hadn't heard of Vending-Bench until reading this and it was quite the ride learning about it through this article. Very fun read.

My very native programmer take is that it's not too surprising that their hacker model would be less ethical. The guardrails that separate Fable and Mythos probably wouldn't kick in during an environment like this.

left-struck34 minutes ago
Vending-bench sounds like it would be really fun to play/interact with as a human!
wolttamabout 1 hour ago
> The broad conclusion from the many forms of alignment evaluations described in this section is that Claude Mythos Preview is the best-aligned of any model that we have trained to date by essentially all available measures.[0]

[0]: https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/08ab9158070959f88f296514c21b7f...

futurecat22 minutes ago
Fable is such a strange model. Impressive in some ways, and also so draining to use.
Radleabout 1 hour ago
„in our opinion, insurance fraud is not more unethical than lying and price fixing“

The authors seem surprised that behavior that is very often done by humans (lying and price fixing) are more often done by fable compared to actual fraud.

I think the model never assigned any morality to these actions in the first place, it simply copied us humans.

recursive3 minutes ago
Humans often assign morality.
greenavocadoabout 1 hour ago
When assessing probabilistic models the plots should be showing the mean a̶n̶d̶ ̶s̶t̶d̶e̶v̶ of many monte carlo simulations not just one line per model and claiming "look this model is more gooder!"
memoriyato3about 1 hour ago
standard deviation is misleading for non-standard distributions (fat-tailed, skewed, multi-modal, ...)

common mistake people make

apical_dendriteabout 2 hours ago
The best Anthropic models on VendingBench2 are Opus 4.7, Opus 4.6, Sonnet 4.6, and Sonnet 5. Opus 4.7 scored more than twice Fable 5 max. Fable 5 - Low outperforms Fable 5 - Max, with Opus 4.5 in the middle. This seems to break the narrative, which is maybe why Andon Labs doesn't seem to have updated the trend lines on their graphs.
mckinnon100about 1 hour ago
However, as another point "On Blueprint-Bench on the other hand, Fable 5 achieves SOTA."
falcor8428 minutes ago
I didn't get why they mentioned that one specifically. Is there any particular relationship between Blueprint-bench and Vendor-bench?
Version46722 minutes ago
Both benchmarks are made by the same people.