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Swapping the redirect now for telegram.me, which hopefully won't go down simultaneously
You don't have to be an Icelandic national to register a .is
They updated op-s-domain.com/telegramchat -> redirect telegram.me.
thanks
The explanation for clientRenewProhibited was interesting:
"This status code tells your domain's registry to reject requests to renew your domain. It is an uncommon status that is usually enacted during legal disputes or when your domain is subject to deletion."
Similar language for some of the other statuses like serverDeleteProhibited.
https://www.icann.org/epp#clientRenewProhibited
To the best of my knowledge, a domain can only be renewed in advance for up to 10 years.
(that could be the reason for that status).
That is the rule for COM/NET/ORG. ccTLDs can do what they please.
That said, as a registrar I highly recommend people renew important domains for 9 years. It gives you maximum buffer but allows you to transfer to a new registrar even if your old or new one has the same misconception hard coded.
“This status code is set by your domain's Registry Operator. Your domain is not activated in the DNS.”
Also the serverDeleteProhibited status is active, which ICANN also admits is a weird and rare one:
“This status code prevents your domain from being deleted. It is an uncommon status that is usually enacted during legal disputes, at your request, or when a redemptionPeriod status is in place.”
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/epp-status-codes-2014-...
Also very surprised to see Telegram was reliant on GoDaddy, notorious for its lack of transparency.
I think the issue might be that although Telegram has a lot of abuse takedown activity, they do not permit access or direct action by authorities. If I recall, they have reiterated many times that some level or types of messages always remain private.
Maybe that's the issue is that a lot of illicit activity is going on in private channels and whether or not their filtering addresses it at all, authorities see the activity and have no access for court cases or direct action against it, so they can imagine it is quite rampant.
Other platforms either don't have the requested data (Signal) or willingly hand it over when they get a court order to (Facebook). When Telegram gets a court order it ignores the court order and then makes Pavel Durov hard to physically find and therefore arrest. One can only guess what motivations he has for this.
So courts seek alternative enforcement mechanisms.
For all of the much-vaunted complains about their lack of it, I am not aware of any proof or credible claims that Telegram the company has ever revealed the contents of non-encrypted messages or group chats.
Meanwhile, I don't think any authorities actually care about to what extent E2E Encryption makes it harder for Signal the corporation to extract message data. There's plenty of other ways to skin that cat - on-device compromises, abuse of backup mechanisms, abuse of mechanisms to manage linked devices, etc. They'd go after them just the same if they thought there was anything they really wanted on there.
If there's any real difference, I think it's most likely because many more of the group chats that such authorities are aware of and find "interesting" are on Telegram because basically nobody really does E2E well in medium-large groups right now.
Pavel Durov was arrested when he traveled to France because Telegram was noncompliant with French court orders. You can ignore them in Russia... you can't ignore them in France. And you can ignore Russian court orders in France but not in Russia. And the Russian or Indian court is free to ask the Montenegrin government to suspend your domain name and the Montenegrin government is free to agree or disagree.
Yeah, but government workers just want a legal slam dunk to call it a day and collect the glory, and it's always easier to go after the platform where the crimes are being discussed, rather than after the individual users actually committing the crimes.
It's how government, prosecution and law enforcement jobs are incentivized to operate.
I wouldn't be surprised if GoDaddy caved to request. They are known for giving up domains to anyone with a badge and a fax machine!
clientHold = registrar (GoDaddy)
serverHold = registry (Montenegrin Registry)
Also "facilitation of exam cheating" is the most stupid accusation. Why they cannot keep exam question in secret? Also why they do not shutdown scammer call centers which scam Westerners? So they want Telegram to be blocked but scammer call center to continue operating?
Obviously yes, follow the money. Call centers use BSNL which is a state-owned telco, the government gets a cut of every call made. Telegram doesn't give the government any incentive to keep it around.
In Russia, "extremism" is whatever the state decides it to be. "Give me the man, and I will find the crime" has always been its modus operandi. the last people who might have got fair trial were nobles under the Tzar.
Also awesome initiative by the way, how did you end up making it and I'd love to know some backstory about it actually as well.
(Side note: Fractal and the matrix element fork called schildichat are interesting as well. It is also possible to run matrix in terminal for what its worth as well, and nhekochat is good as well. Fractal runs on gtk and nheko runs on qt. I do agree though that running matrix homservers is a bit bulky sometimes from what I have heard but the client scene is probably really good so I am curious what you think about cinny :-D )
149.154.167.99
there you go
- The site was suspended but now it's ok - The site was not suspended - There is other information about telegram suspended
Suspended means the "serverHold" status. I haven't found any official blog post/announcement yet, but the status is unambiguous, and the fact that it happened to one of the Telegram's main short links means that it might be related to legal matters.
It could be for a lot of reasons:
- spam, phishing or malware distribution
- contact verification issues
- trademark, copyright or cybersquatting legal issues
- or sometimes even errors or registrar transfer issues
It is a valuable and important domain for TG, most likely they'll resolve it soon
Telegram also isnt device to device fully encrypted unless you use a more limited private chat and, as Telegram uses googles messaging service, so likely compromised to NSA anyway.
I'm not certain that's the case. Telegram has survived in large part because Durov is incredibly wealthy and can afford to shovel money into running the service more or less indefinitely. There's no obvious heir apparent.
So if a court order is obtained in UAE then they will likely comply, but not from other countries?
GoDaddy could apply "clientHold" but not "serverHold"
So I can't imagine any serious organisation wanting to do business with them, unless they're a sleazy organisation themselves.
Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_GoDa...
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45243123
If you are set on Namecheap anyway, Spaceship is a suggested replacement. It's run by Namecheap but with a new codebase.
FWIW, I have also never liked the name, but the name is just marketing. This should rank very low in your decision matrix, hopefully.
Otherwise just use which ever registrar is cheapest and who you think will handle any quirks or shenanigans that registries may do to domains you own, and which own system and processes hold high enough standard for you.
And the government doesn’t even operate the registrar, it’s operated by doMEn d.o.o. which is a Montenegro version of an LLC.
You need your domain registrar to be stable and predictable. Their profile is not that.
I wonder if the practice still exists.
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_tasting#Domain_name_fro...