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HHenryNdubuaku 1 day ago 40 commentsRead Article on github.com

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Hey HN, Henry & Roman here from Cactus.

A small, on-device model is fast and private, but sometimes wrong, but frontier models are getting expensive pretty fast. So, we post-trained Gemma 4 E2B post-trained to know when it's wrong. Every response comes with a confidence score between 0 and 1. Developers can accept the on-device when it's high, hand off to a bigger cloud model when it's low. By routing only 15-35% of queries to Gemini 3.1 Flash-Lite, Gemma-4-E2B matches Gemini 3.1 Flash-Lite on most benchmarks.

- ChartQA: 15-20%

- LibriSpeech: 25-30%

- MMBench, GigaSpeech, MMAU: 30-35%

- MMLU-Pro: 45-55%

We were always frustrated by the routing signals hybrid apps rely on: asking the model to rate itself in text (unreliable, and you're parsing prose), or token entropy heuristics (barely better than a coin flip in our tests). So we did mechanistic studies on small models, Gemma 4 particularly, and found the hidden state for different layers carry meaningful self-awareness signal for various situations.

SO we extended the model with a 68k params probe layer (LayerNorm, low-rank projection, attention pooling, small MLP head) reads one intermediate layer during decoding and predicts p(wrong); confidence = 1 - p(wrong), returned as structured data, never parsed out of the answer text.

Across 12 hold-out benchmarks spanning text, vision and audio, the probe averages 0.814 AUROC vs 0.549 for token entropy. The result that convinced us this is real: the probe was trained on zero audio data, yet scores 0.79-0.88 AUROC on four audio benchmarks where entropy is near-random or worse (0.32-0.52). It's reading a modality-independent correctness signal from the hidden state, not memorizing patterns from its training data.

We published all weights on HuggingFace and provide copy-pase codes to run it on Transformers, MLX, Llama.cpp or Cactus. With Ollama, vLLM, SGLang etc in the works. For llama.cpp we ship a patch series you compile in once (upstreaming is planned). The code is MIT licensed; Gemma model use remains subject to the Gemma terms.

GitHub: https://github.com/cactus-compute/cactus-hybrid

Weights: https://huggingface.co/collections/Cactus-Compute/cactus-hyb...

Some caveats:

- The probe scores single-sequence decoding only, up to the first 1024 generated tokens.

- Handoff works best when routing per task in a multi-step process, not per step.

- Hierarchical routing is still in the works: try on-device, then DeepSeek v4 Flash, before Fable/GPT5.5/Gemini/Muse/Grok.

- The technique is boutique for each model, we will share each weights as they roll out.

These issues are currently being tackled at Cactus and updated weights will be shipped directly into the HuggingFace collection and GitHub repository straight up. Please let us know your thoughts, it helps us find ways to improve the design progressively.

Thanks a million!

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BugsJustFindMe1 day ago
> "post-trained to know when it's wrong"

Is it also post-trained to know when it's wrong about when it's wrong?

> "Every response comes with a confidence score between 0 and 1"

How confident is it in its confidence?

Please, I'm sure that what you're doing is very neat and useful, but use other language to describe it. I beg you. You can't know when you're wrong. You can only know when you're unsure or inconsistent. You can be absolutely certain and still wrong and uncertain and still correct.

NitpickLawyerabout 19 hours ago
A few years ago, before RLVR became ubiquitous, people were using generate -> classify loops to get models to improve math reasoning. Turns out classification is sometimes easier to do and more accurate than generating coherent traces. So you'd get a model to "think step by step", then run each step (.split('/n/n')) through a classifier, and tell the model "this step might be wrong, re-check". If you're interested I could probably dig up some papers on this.

Now there might be even better ways of getting feedback, I saw some interesting trials using "J-spaces" (from Anthropic's latest research in this area). Turns out you can kinda see when the model uses deep seeded concepts in early layers, or it's "riffing on an idea" with shallow signals in those same layers. And youc an get some signal out of it, and have it re-do a step.

It's also worth mentioning that LMs are wrong in different ways from humans. It's not impossible that we'll eventually find ways of better understanding this (through mechanistic interpretation or something else) and have easy "classifiers" for "this comes from the training data" vs. "this comes from early context" (i.e. supplied materials from prompts/discovery) vs. "this comes from later tokens, likely the model doom-looped itself".

BugsJustFindMeabout 12 hours ago
None of what you've said has anything to do with correctness, only certainty. And it's funny to me in context if you're certain that the opposite is true.

> "It's also worth mentioning that LMs are wrong in different ways from humans."

This to me only shows a poor and incomplete knowledge of humans and of wrongness and its causes. If you look at all of the humans and all of the times, you find exhibitions of all the same ways of being wrong. At best you can say that some (<all) LMs are wrong in different ways than some (<all) humans at some (<all) times, but that's as good as saying that different humans are wrong in different ways than different other humans at different times.

htrpabout 13 hours ago
I always thought it was a pretty noisy signal, was there any empirical work showing what the SNR was in these step by step classification loops?
cmrdporcupineabout 16 hours ago
> And youc an get some signal out of it, and have it re-do a step.

Or the opposite https://arxiv.org/abs/2606.06574v1

pjc50about 17 hours ago
This is an old problem in philosophy, one that the pre-LLM systems were interested in, which got completely bypassed by the present approach. What is knowledge? It's not a simple question even for humans, we don't have a magic truth detector in the brain.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/knowledge-analysis/

This is why LLMs are more successful in programming than other disciplines: it's easier to assess correctness of results, through proofs, typechecking, and testing. Similarly for maths and applied maths. Much harder in the humanities.

embedding-shapeabout 16 hours ago
> successful in programming than other disciplines

It seems successful specifically in "computer science", for "programming" which encompasses a much wider field, "successful" is still up for debate. Also, we haven't even figured out yet what "success" even means in a software development process, for some it's that the program does everything the users want, in the way they expect, for other's, it's about correctness, reliability, performance, composability, maintainability and/or a whole host of other "measures".

baqabout 19 hours ago
Interesting question and I don’t share your pessimism. Feels like it’s a matter of some plain old Bayesian stats, almost a homework assignment given all experimental data is available and known.
mistrial91 day ago
IMHO this also depends on the type of assertion.. For example, one system defines three broad classes of assertion : pure opinion (I like green); factual references (the current temperature here is 20c) ; and the rest in a catch-all about "reasoned judgements"

Complex assertions and their compounded forms can be filtered by these classes fairly easily. I rarely see this referenced in general comments.

BugsJustFindMeabout 24 hours ago
> pure opinion (I like green)

"I like green" is a statement of fact about what you like. "Green is good" would be an opinion. It's funny to me how often people mix the two.

> forms can be filtered by these classes fairly easily

Obviously not so easily. :)

mistrial9about 23 hours ago
opinion is ephemeral, cannot be independently confirmed or denied; purely single viewer information sounds like not-a-fact to me

Opinion is a ghost in the machine—fleeting, unanchored, and vanishing upon inspection. It leaves no footprint for another mind to verify, no independent trail of evidence to confirm or deny its existence. To rely on such solitary perception is to drift in a void where facts do not exist; it is not merely uncertainty, but an absence of reality itself—a whisper that the universe refuses to echo back. --AI Carl Sagan

shaknaabout 16 hours ago
The catch-all is a problem. We've been studying fallacies in arguments since before the time of Plato, and do not have a complete answer that always works, to prevent the logical failure.

Complex assertions and compounding arguments, can still result in circular reasoning - the petitio principii, or worse.

Most LLMs are guided by strong statements like it must do this or that. Which assumes that it won't apply the fallacy of accident, even though people regularly do. (Don't agree? Argue a definition with a BA for a day and come back to me.)

dmriversabout 16 hours ago
Cool idea, some feedback:

1. Consider using conformal prediction to calibrate the cutoff. Conformal prediction provides a distribution-free guarantee under exchangeability. This would let you turn your raw probe score into a threshold with a guaranteed bound on the rate of wrongly-kept on-device answers. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_prediction

2. The best indicators of confidence in ML come from multiple independent methods. What was the result if you combine the token entropy and verbal confidence reporting methods? Does this improve the result?

3. I noticed you didn't mention the assessment method of rerunning the model and judging whether outputs are consistent. How does that method compare in terms of AUROC?

HenryNdubuakuabout 14 hours ago
1. Thanks for this!

2. We combine both on Cactus; rolling entropy method helps with per-token signal for early exit, while the probe runs on complete output.

3. Users hate this in production, drains battery on edge devices, but ultimately primarily works ok-ish on 7B+ models, we will share the results too.

mncharity1 day ago
> the hidden state for different layers carry meaningful self-awareness signal for various situations.

Is it plausible to wonder if some developer judgement feels, like maybe "the code I just wrote is clean/crufty", or "things came together smoothly/janky", might have extractable signals in some models?

If so, might one create a shopping list of desired signals to check for in a model, as with activation steering concepts, where one checks whether and how hard each concept can usefully be nudged?

HenryNdubuakuabout 18 hours ago
YOu are thinking along the right direction, we are going deeper into the signals.
astrobiased1 day ago
Is this in any way similar to Goodfire's work? https://www.goodfire.ai/research/rlfr#
HenryNdubuaku1 day ago
Thats an interesting outlook, loosely similar.
cacio-e-pepe1 day ago
> So we did mechanistic studies on small models, Gemma 4 particularly, and found the hidden state for different layers carry meaningful self-awareness signal for various situations.

Neat! Just to make sure I understand - you trained your probe layer to take this hidden state and predict p(wrong)?

Curious to learn more. Any more info on your approach (esp the mechanistic study)?

HenryNdubuaku1 day ago
Correct, the study is verbose, we will compile into a neat shareable report and publish once we solve the pending caveats. Interesting username btw haha.
cacio-e-pepe1 day ago
Nice, looking forward to the report.

And thanks, huge pasta fan :)

HenryNdubuaku1 day ago
anytime!
olafura1 day ago
Was actually pulling on a similar thread as I saw announcement so I integrated it just for fun. Have been only running this on my Framework Desktop but should be runnable elsewhere https://github.com/olafura/gemma-4-mic-transcribe
maxgashkovabout 15 hours ago
I don't really get why you need handoff if your score is accurate. If it is, and it is low for a given response, just let the harness re-run the prompt with a different seed until the score is high enough. If this approach doesn't work, your score is most likely garbage.
HenryNdubuakuabout 15 hours ago
Smaller models in production can produce quite interesting outputs.
zdw1 day ago
Have you benched this for coding tasks, with a fallback to a larger local model, for example Qwen-3.6-27B?

Or using it for sub-tasks, where a framework with a larger primary model dispatches simpler jobs ("summarize ...", etc.) to it?

asarabout 6 hours ago
Love what you're doing at cactus, keep it up!!
jstummbilligabout 18 hours ago
Interesting how that once again matches human intuition: It's easier to know what you don't know, than to know what is true.
HenryNdubuakuabout 14 hours ago
haha, interesting analogy
robrenaud1 day ago
Does the model quality become degraded in other ways?
HenryNdubuakuabout 18 hours ago
no because we freeze the main weights and only train our added weights.
zamadatixabout 16 hours ago
It's impossible to add weights which degrade the quality?
jstanleyabout 16 hours ago
Not if the new weights don't influence the old outputs.
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