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tcumulus25 minutes ago
Everything in AI seems to be focused on LLMs lately. But in my opinion, powerful problem-specific models like this are even more interesting. The SOTA AI models used in weather forecasting are already outperforming the classic NWP models while being orders of magnitude more efficient (inference). Most are based on multi scale (hierarchical) Graph Neural Networks, an architecture which is not often talked about. The original Graphcast paper is worth a read if you think this is interesting: https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.12794
polairscience6 minutes ago
You say this as if you don't need he MWP models to train the AI models? The accuracy of the AI Prediction depends entirely on the quality of the training dataset...
geertj3 minutes ago
I would imagine this would be trained on actual historical weather data instead?
pbronez1 minute ago
Insightful paper, thanks for sharing. Two things stand out to me.

First, it reinforces that you want methods that get better with more data. It emphasizes that the current approach cannot improve based on historic data - that’s the opportunity that ML based approaches exploit.

Second, it highlights that mature legacy solutions are tough competitors. They benefit from extensive tuning and real world feedback. Even when you have a genuinely better approach, it will take meaningful time & effort to achieve the current standard.

Patience and solid long term strategy are needed to make progress in these situations. You need confidence that your approach will win long term, backed by enough money & time to prove yourself correct.

fcanesinabout 1 hour ago
Maybe was this that was the last drop for Sundar.

Demis: "I have a new amazing breakthrough"

Sundar: "Great! We really need a answer to Sol and Fable"

Demis: "They are completely owned in typhoon forecasting"

trescenziabout 1 hour ago
Ironically typhoon forecasting, at this moment, is more valuable. These predictions are matters of life, death, and billions of dollars in damage.
xyzzy12334 minutes ago
I know this is uncharitable and I am wrong but I am having trouble coming up with concrete scenarios where you die with 2 days notice but survive with 3. I am nonethless a believer that more accurate forecasting has value.
IanCal32 minutes ago
Could you imagine a scenario where from warning to complete evacuation takes more than two days? Evacuating a whole area is a hard task, particularly once you start looking at more complex problems (elderly, prisons, hospitals).
michaelbuckbee19 minutes ago
The 2 vs 3 days makes less of an impact on personal decision making but has massive benefits for decision making at the country wide response level.
metanoia_28 minutes ago
Hurricane Maria went from Cat 2 to Cat 5 in less than 24 hours, and turned making a direct hit to Dominica in 2017.
sweezyjeezyabout 1 hour ago
Valuable, agreed. But lucrative?
gnivabout 1 hour ago
Are Sol and Fable lucrative? I suspect they also are valuable (to clients) but not lucrative (yet).
allannienhuis7 minutes ago
I've always assumed that insurance and/or government departments that would spend money due to storms would be the ones funneling money to these sorts of efforts. It's not exactly something you can easily sell directly to individuals who would benefit. It would be pretty dystopian for them to sell subscriptions for an extra 24 hrs notice on the next typhoon :P
davoneus40 minutes ago
I agree, but the shareholder mentality undervalues the heck out of that.
jen729wabout 2 hours ago
I just discovered typhoon/cyclone predictions and they're insane. I get mine via https://zoom.earth (whose iPhone app is terrific).

Here's a selection from Typhoon Dolphin, currently sitting off the east coast of China.

    Dolphin continues its slow, trochoidal Z motion, generally heading westward deeper into the East China Sea. Over the past 12 hours, the system completed another cyclonic loop and has decelerated, exhibiting continued meandering prior to establishing a sustained westward track.

    The erratic motion witnessed over the past two days is attributable to a weak steering environment produced by a break in the subtropical ridge 2 over Korea, combined with the dynamics where the inner core is cocooned within a much larger parent circulation.

    While the general steering pattern is weak, a mesoscale deep-layer ridge is seen building over southern Japan.
https://zoom.earth/storms/dolphin-2026/

Here's Chan-hom, which threatens to make my birthday a windy day here in northern Japan.

    Intensity guidance is in good agreement overall. However, the JTWC forecast is placed lower than all the guidance save for Google DeepMind over the next 36 hours, before joining the consensus envelope (which peaks at 95 km/h (50 knots) at 60 hours) through the remainder of the forecast.
https://zoom.earth/storms/chan-hom-2026/
trescenziabout 1 hour ago
If you’re just getting into this tropical tidbits[0] is my go to for more raw data. Less pretty than zoom earth but also an interesting place to see what the models are predicting on each of their runs which is then interesting to compare to actual forecast guidance.

1: https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/

netcraft5 minutes ago
For atlantic basin hurricanes (and the occasional one that could impact Hawaii he also does fantastic youtube videos
algo_trader9 minutes ago
I am getting into cyclone predictions (for maritime scheduling)

Is there a basic/freemium resource for past events? Mostly just very coarse spatial/temporal maps of past events

dgellowabout 1 hour ago
This is really cool, please more of this from the AI folks! That’s way more impactful and interesting than another coding agent
bhavansigabout 5 hours ago
From the tagline in the article: "WeatherNext enables accurate cyclone forecasts that can give an extra day of warning. Now we are open sourcing the model."
snake_docabout 1 hour ago
> We can now generate a single 15-day forecast in less than a minute on a TPU, empowering forecasters to quickly evaluate the probability distribution of potentially devastating tail-risks.

Crazy

derbOacabout 1 hour ago
"This has surprised scientists, and it remains an open research question to fully understand how our models produce such accurate predictions at this resolution."

Also crazy.

Seems important to understand why something does what it does, in the very least to know when it might not?

alpaca936 minutes ago
You can't, and it's one of the biggest problems when trying to use AI for anything.
throw31082213 minutes ago
Next step: steering them. (As in Permutation City's "Operation Butterfly".)
moktonarabout 2 hours ago
They should try to forecast earthquakes, that would really be a breakthrough If anything better than random comes out
mattlondonabout 1 hour ago
Google has the early warning system that gives people maybe 20-30s to e.g. turn off gas, stop vehicles, get under something solid. There was a lot of news recently about how this saved many thousands of lives in Venezuela I think it was.

But hey let's all keep shitting on Google because their coding agent is slightly worse than SOTA.

phoghedabout 1 hour ago
> But hey let's all keep shitting on Google because their coding agent is slightly worse than SOTA.

Reminder, we can do two or even more things. In fact, we can even simultaneously hold contradictory opinions.

Aboutplantsabout 1 hour ago
This needs to be tied to a whole house shutoff system because if I get an alert I’m not thinking about shutting off my gas or water. Having a system that shut those off immediately would be great
talon8635about 1 hour ago
This was my immediate hope too, as fault line resident
Yokolosabout 2 hours ago
Is this even feasible with our current sensor data?
_alternator_44 minutes ago
Accurate weather forecasting has been one of the major achievements of the 20th and 21st century. Computing power is a central piece of this story, but it's also important to remember that the government infrastructure in place to collect ground-truth current weather data is utterly critical to these model's successes. From launching weather balloons to running global weather-monitoring satellites, the scientists and systems at NOAA/NWS (and in this case, the UK counterparts) provide critical expertise and data.

I say this because it seems that earlier announcements where industrial deep neural nets "outperformed NOAA" likely encouraged the slash-and-burn Trump administration in its gutting of critical activities and centers of expertise at NOAA. The impression that industry can predict weather better than the government agencies totally misses that the industrial models utterly rely on government data for inputs. In fact, almost all weather reports you see---weather.com, TV, etc.---are just lightly repackaged products that NOAA provides for free on weather.gov (which you can access for free without ads).

pingouabout 2 hours ago
It seems especially useful for cargo ships, with better predictions they could save some fuel and be safer.
embedding-shapeabout 2 hours ago
Wake me up once commercial airplanes can take advantage of this and take us across the Atlantic in less than 5 hours.
fallingbananna43 minutes ago
I don't mean to be disrespectful... but, why would you consider tech intended to save lives and resources less of a deal, than slightly faster flights over the Atlantic?
notfromhereabout 2 hours ago
planes fly above the weather, so kinda irrelevant. you can cross the atlantic fast with something like the Concorde
embedding-shapeabout 1 hour ago
Well, that explains why even cyclones don't make us faster!

Obviously the technology I'm talking about would involve the planes going into the cyclone so plane can go faster.

hn974izqdvabout 1 hour ago
I keep relearning this every few months
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