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sinab7 minutes ago
Thank you for the demo! I like the concept. However, I personally find that the writing style you've designed for reads very strongly as AI-generated. For example, opening a section with phrases like "Here's the irony: after automating everything up to this point," or "Turning emoji into images solved the missing-font problem and created a subtler one."

These are both strong tells of AI-generated prose, though I find it surprisingly difficult to articulate exactly why. It makes me wonder whether your style has evolved to sound more like AI-generated prose, or whether AI-generated prose has evolved to sound more like you!

hinkleyabout 1 hour ago
I saw a Bruce Eckel talk one time after Thinking in Java became a best seller.

I expected him to talk about Java, and lessons learned about it writing the book (he did not start nor end in Java and documented a number of programming languages.)

What we got instead was a rundown of how he 'overengineered' the book. He had interns solving a problem for him: How to make sure the published code examples actually run when transcribed into an editor.

They wrote a tool to mark up live code with extraction points to excerpt it automatically into his manuscript.

About five years later I worked at a F50 company with a bunch of contractors who were all Getting Shit Done and making some of the more bureaucratic org units around us a bit nervous. Someone thought they found a gotcha by complaining about how our developer documentation didn't meet the defined documentation standards the company had devised. They weren't wrong, but people used to the platform we were building on wouldn't have been stymied at all by what we gave them.

If we had done it the way they suggested, it would have added almost a week of my time to every release, and I was already struggling with delegating enough work to make me not the bottleneck. So that extra week would have taken our velocity down a notch and made us a bit more comparable to everyone else. It was a clever ploy, but Bruce saved me.

Instead of spending a slog every release on updating the docs, I found that Bruce's strategy had already been made into a FOSS tool, jcite. So I spent about 50 hours the first quarter learning to use it, and fixing up all of my integration tests to be suitable to use the way Bruce taught me.

With that done, it took less an hour per release to fix the developer documentation, and half of that hour I got one of our tech writers to take off my plate (I couldn't get the documentation template to exactly match the corporate template, so she manually fixed the handful of errors). So within another quarter we were back to full speed. It's possible I imagined the disappointment when we explained what we did but it was a delicious hallucination if so. Nice try. Maybe you could learn from us instead of trying to pull us down with you, hmm?

Thanks Bruce, for teaching me a lesson I didn't even know I needed.

benbalter22 minutes ago
Nice! My rule (pre-AI) had always been never force a human to do what a robot can. If you can automate yourself out of your least favorite part of your job, that's a win for both you and your employer. You can move on to more meaningful work, or in some environments, just leave early. Reminds me of that old xkcd about the tradeoff in time between doing something manually vs. automating it.
hinkley12 minutes ago
If you open source it you can increase the payback multiplier by a couple orders of magnitude, or at least use the same solution at your next gig.
t-kalinowskiabout 1 hour ago
Seeing that list of tools you're using in automations, I'm guessing you'll enjoy this, as another tool to add to the pile: https://t-kalinowski.github.io/yamark/

(disclosure: I wrote it)

benbalterabout 1 hour ago
Well, there goes my weekend. Thanks for sharing. Will take a look.
TeaVMFan8 minutes ago
Related: a tool to convert HTML to EPUB, with checks and smarts:

https://frequal.com/epublish/

_def22 minutes ago
How did people come to the conclusion that "over-engineered" is something positive?
epgui18 minutes ago
What gives you the impression that "people" have come to such a conclusion?
_def4 minutes ago
I just noticed it more often that it's getting used as a positive connotation.

From the article itself: "Over-engineered, absolutely. [...] Every check earned its place by catching something I’d otherwise have shipped. Would I do it again? Without hesitation."

stephantul41 minutes ago
It is perhaps ironic that I find this post very difficult to read. I'm super interested in the content, but it reads like it is generated.
benbalter32 minutes ago
I've gotten that feedback before. Once a lawyer, always a lawyer.

Full disclosure, a few months back when I had some tokens expiring, I had Copilot spike out a draft to see if there was anything "there" worth writing. If you check the revision history (linked from the bottom of the post), I did a full (human) blank page rewrite three days ago and then only used Claude for line edits like adding links or fixing failing lints.

goostavos33 minutes ago
In contrast, here's how I under engineered my book lol: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49336392

If our two styles found a middle ground we'd be unstoppable!

benbalter30 minutes ago
Ha! Indeed. Love the time-lapse video.

ETA: Need to add "maniac on the front page of Hacker News" to my resume.

nonethewiser15 minutes ago
The software engineering workflow is simply the GOAT for text based work.
song_synth37 minutes ago
hey thanks! I learned from your article that "if you can make a website, you can make an ebook."

This is inspiring because I can indeed make a website, and have a lot of drafts that I want to turn into a book!

benbalter27 minutes ago
Glad to inspire. That was the point of the post. For the record, I never made any guarantees that the book (or the website) was any good. Software or prose, you can have the most pristine build pipeline in the world, but "garbage in, garbage out" as they say.
khaki54about 1 hour ago
Textbook example of structured procrastination. I bet you got all your household projects done as well as taxes for next year
sixtyjabout 1 hour ago
Thief recognizes another thief… ;)

I saw myself in OP’s write up, the process is nicely described.

hyperhelloabout 2 hours ago
Okay, but I feel assured your book will be astonishingly boring.
benbalterabout 1 hour ago
Why do you think I procrastinated writing by building out all that unnecessary tooling? /s
NAR8789about 1 hour ago
Your own descriptive comment got downvoted and the only other comment I see is bashing you.

It seems you rub people the wrong way, but so far I'm scratching my head as to why you're receiving this degree of hate. Is this common for you? Does someone have a vendetta against you?

hyperhelloabout 1 hour ago
I think you’re way off. Hate is absurd, I don’t even know him. He’s automatically being downvoted for hyping his own product on HN, although he’s certainly not plugging it too hard.
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