Xwayland 26.1.0 rc1

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belval•about 2 hours ago

I really don't like Wayland, I recently (last Friday) had to revert back to X because somehow they messed up enough that in Zoom screensharing during a meeting with XWayland can crash my audio drivers.

At this point I don't know who it is for, but it's not for users.

cmiles74•about 1 hour ago

I'm not sure that Zoom is the highest quality software. I find it crashy and weird under either X or Wayland.

yjftsjthsd-h•about 1 hour ago

Yes, but if any application can break the entire system audio, that's a bug in more than just the application. (Granted, I'm curious why Wayland would trigger that, given that I would expect the audio stack to be the same regardless.)

stinkbeetle•22 minutes ago

Yes, though you'd be inclined to suspect the audio stack having the bug rather than the display compositor.

serf•about 1 hour ago

zoom users often have little choice but to use zoom.

wayland doesn't have that need.

panzi•43 minutes ago

Yeah, I still use KDE with X11 because they somehow messed up their window management with Wayland. My problems aren't even about rendering or any those features, but for some reason kwin_wayland's window management is very buggy. I'm still on 6.6 on the distribution that I use, so I don't know if it's fixed in 6.7, but I doubt it since it is here for a long time. Reported it here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524083

badsectoracula•29 minutes ago

My main WM is Window Maker but i use KDE Plasma for secondary accounts when i want to try stuff without 'polluting' my main user account.

I can only use X11 with KDE Plasma because, for some unfathomable reason, if i launch `startplasma-wayland` pressing ANY key on my keyboard causes it to crash.

Like. How.

smackeyacky•about 2 hours ago

Me too. I really wanted to like Cosmic but the hassles wayland causes with ordinary things like zoom is just not worth it. Plus all the progress with gaming that has been made on Linux, wayland ruins. I’m back to X and get off my lawn etc.

prmoustache•16 minutes ago

What is the issue with zoom on wayland? Granted I only use on a web browser but I have entered numerous zoom calls these last 6 months without any issue.

Isn't the issue just the zoom desktop app?

esseph•about 2 hours ago

> Plus all the progress with gaming that has been made on Linux, wayland ruins.

You're way behind.

Wayland is fine. Wayland + VRR is even better.

XWayland otoh is quite bad.

https://marco-nett.de/blog/measuring-input-latency-on-linux-...

soupspaces•about 1 hour ago

Try browser zoom

jjcm•17 minutes ago

At this point, I'm half convinced that someone with $100k in api spend of Fable tokens can create a better replacement for X11/Wayland, and patch all common open source apps to leverage it.

nantes•about 2 hours ago

Do we really need the editorializing in the title?

einpoklum•about 2 hours ago

I am not a fan of Wayland. I've not really bought the value proposition; and see also:

https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d...

what's more - this seems like yet another RedHat/IBM project which destroys variety and flexibility in favor of their problematic choices, often with a degradation of functionality. systemd, Wayland, GNOME - and of course nothing would run on BSDes, heavens forbid.

With X11 seeing renewed, independent work via https://xlibre.net - why not embrace _that_ rather than go down the crooked Wayland path?

CursedSilicon•about 2 hours ago

Given who founded Xlibre (Metux) has some...interesting history (he was banned from the X.org project due to poor code quality and practices [1]) I would say no

Metux himself also has some "fascinating" takes as archived from other projects such as the LKML [1] and Devuan [2] mailing lists

[1] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/work_items/179...

[2] https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/6/10/957

[3] https://web.archive.org/web/20190404153507/https://lists.dyn...

vedmed•32 minutes ago

You're trying to cancel this guy's project on hackernews comments because he quoted winston churchhill in 2025 and didn't get a vaccine donut in 2019?

What do you get from it? Is he your enemy? Seems like you are trying to destroy him using this comment as attack vector. And this comment is well prepared and sourced and easily repeatable, so I presume you use multiple attack vectors like this.

Just an observation. And as an observer, this is annoying to see.

S-E-P•about 1 hour ago

Ah yes, "he doesn't agree with me, therefore he must be [insane|incapable|inept]" argument tied in with some nothing burger about Metux pushing code that could break things.

While I'm over here having to move to Xorg as Wayland breaks my applications about once every two months. Breaking changes, poor code quality, LLMs, or maybe it's just that the devs of Wayland were more motivated by their own personal needs/wants then the Xorg users.

I can never get back the hours I lost troubleshooting graphics drivers only to realize that Wayland claimed it should work, but doesn't. I'll take whatever Metux gives me if it works, or from anyone else for that matter.

prmoustache•12 minutes ago

> and of course nothing would run on BSDes

A number of wayland compositors are available in at least freebsd and openbsd (haven't checked on netbsd and dragonflybsd). Wayland is only a protocol. Whoever wants to support it can.

ChocolateGod•about 2 hours ago

HDR, VRR, Mixed refresh rate/DPI displays, Zero-copy video acceleration, support for tiled GPUs

Yeh... we should totally keep to X11.... especially when toolkits start to drop support.

panzi•38 minutes ago

None of that matters if you don't have a HDR monitor, only have one monitor, and when absolute basics of window management are somehow broken under KDE Wayland. Why that even has anything to do with Wayland I don't know. I just know that it all works perfectly when I use KDE X11. Maybe other DEs/WMs have better Wayland implementations, I don't know.

prmoustache•14 minutes ago

Issue is not wayland but KDE from what I understand here

fuomag9•18 minutes ago

Multiple monitors care about this :)

seiferteric•18 minutes ago

i like the idea of wayland but i agree about the loss of flexibility. they seem very concerned about security and make screen sharing very complex now if you stray from the accepted path. systemd complicates this further with logind seat management etc. as a result our companies dev servers where we run a bunch of simultaneous VNCs and independent mate desktop sessions can really only work with X11 for now. There is a way to do it with nested cgroups running n number of systemd instances etc but its a pain and then we would have to use gnomes built in rdp thing which we dont want to use… anyway i actually vibe coded a way to get it working with wayland in containers with a dummy kernel video driver, my own fake logind etc. etc. etc. it was a harrowing experience but fun.

guywithahat•about 2 hours ago

I kind of wonder that too, I'm fine using wayland but it seemed like a huge user hassle for not many benefits (namely independent screen scaling which xlibre now supports). It's a shame xlibre didn't come around sooner, after years of pain wayland support has gotten a lot better, to the point I can more or less use either without issue.