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OptionOfTabout 3 hours ago
A bunch of these should be enforce with linting, that way people who still hand-craft code get the same kind of feedback, e.g. Always use {}, even on a one-line "if" statement. & Keep function names short. Less than 30 characters.

Then this one really is a pattern that creates a lot of churn:

- Add a small, to the point, comment to explain what the block does and why. Use examples when possible. Propose ASCII drawings to explain complete systems.

The what _is_ the code.

figmert24 minutes ago
Right. I've really struggling to get AI to stop explaining the what. It seems to add it to the commits, PRs, code, wherever it feels like. I've put in multiple places to not write the "what", but the "why", and in multiple ways, but it still does it in one or other place.
arialdomartini9 minutes ago
Incidentally, I'm from the opposite school and consider every “if” followed by a braced block a smell. If a conditional body needs a block, it's doing enough to deserve a name, so I promote it to a single named call, à la "Extract till you drop".
hawk_10 minutes ago
I forbid my agents from adding any comments. I review the code and add comments manually. If I can't understand something despite having the context then I throw away the code instead of having an LLM generate comments to explain what it did. This way the code stays readable/debuggable by humans.
0xfeba9 minutes ago
> Propose ASCII drawings to explain complete systems.

LLMs are very bad at ASCII drawings.

https://medium.com/data-science/why-llms-suck-at-ascii-art-a...

getnormalityabout 3 hours ago
I would never tell an agent to write "what does the code do" comments. Their default comments are already way too fluffy.
rustystumpabout 1 hour ago
I added to the memory, system prompts, and the prompt itself and every soa model still litters code with the most inane useless crap. I will then get code to review from a coworker using fable/opus. It has more lines of comments then code.

Maybe I am some god tier code reader (i am not) but i dont think i have ever found a comment in code to be useful in my day job. That isnt true, i once came across

// submit to the dark lord

Above the function that sent a payment to PayPal for processing. It made me laugh so I let it be.

danielheath18 minutes ago
Most useful code comment I have encountered read:

“”” After you give up on trying to refactor this code, increment the following line accordingly. HOURS_WASTED_HERE=26 “””

culi31 minutes ago
My biggest pet peeve with agents is when people beg their (non-deterministic) agents to do something that a lint rule could've accomplished
irishcoffee20 minutes ago
Seems like 80% of agent use boils down to: grep | sed -i

Which is kind of cool if you’re unaware enough to know to do it yourself.

Oh, and find. Agents use find a lot.

_boffin_16 minutes ago
One thing I don’t get with a lot of these agents.md and other skills are… why not throw as much mechanical checks and other stuff at the repo to constrain as you want instead of asking a non-deterministic agent (squishy or non-squishy) to maintain it.

With the mechanical routes, we get checks, failures, and so much more. A bit wild to me.

Make an agent operate within defined constraints and yell at it when it doesn’t.

YuechenLiabout 2 hours ago
Since we are sharing our AGENTS.md, I thought I'd share my own, because most of the time, this is pretty much all you need for LLMs to write good code, everything else can be added per project: ---- *Convergence rule* Every substantial task must end in exactly one of three states:

A. Success The intended capability works in the real path and the real motivating case materially improves.

B. Meaningful progression The capability is not complete, but one genuine blocker is removed and the next blocker is isolated with evidence.

C. Honest stop Further work would require overbroad scope expansion, excessive debt, brittle patching, or tangled logic. Stop and report the reason with concrete evidence.

Do not continue producing patches once the work stops converging.

Do not confuse activity with progress. A failed attempt is only acceptable if it leaves behind a narrower problem, stronger evidence, or a justified stop.

Any partial work must leave the codebase in a cleaner, more legible, and more diagnosable state than before. ----

A lot of the article's AGENTS.md just feel like telling the LLM agents either something they already know (for example, most of the time they know to use exhaustive switch/match statements instead of "arrow anti-pattern") or seems actively harmful ("keep function names short" seems arbitrary and may cause the LLMs to write weird abbreviations for functions that are harder to read and review.

lelanthranabout 2 hours ago
> but one genuine blocker is removed and the next blocker is isolated with evidence.

What's the difference between a "genuine blocker" and a "blocker"? Why is the next blocker not genuine? Does it become genuine only after isolation?

YuechenLiabout 2 hours ago
"Genuine blocker" is mostly there because otherwise LLMs may consider the smallest thing that they couldn't immediately figure out to be blockers and stop without implementing anything. The rule is there to tell the LLM if they can figure out how to resolve the blocker by themselves, they don't have to ask me to help resolve the blocker.
chrisweekly12 minutes ago
"honest", "real", "genuine" -- wat.
maccard36 minutes ago
How often would you say step C happens and the agent stops when it can’t proceed?
newsomix9xlabout 1 hour ago
A great piece.

I esp liked:

"- Don't touch blocks of code unrelated to the feature you implement. e.g. Don't add comments to a block of code if you did not create it or modify it. As much as possible try to minimize the number of changed lines when implementing a feature."

The feature where you ask the LLM to fix one thing and it fixes three things.

I kept noticing this in diffs.

dzhar1120 minutes ago
From FAB's AGENT.MD: > - Avoid magic numbers and strings by extracting recurring or meaningful values into descriptive constants (const) or enums. ---

I've been seeing the same thing with models like GPT5.6 and Opus4.8 in GH Cop CLI. They still introduce magic numbers, and in Scala they often put an entire 10-line Spark expression inside an if condition instead of extracting it into a meaningfully named value to keep "if" readable. I wonder when common sense instructions will be baked into the models.

oumua_don17about 3 hours ago
Just this one line in AGENTS.md has given better results to reduce if not eliminate verbosity and grandeur.

**Always use ASD-STE100 Simplified Technical English

Disclaimer: I saw this listed in some other HN post that I can' locate right away.

mattjoyceabout 1 hour ago
This will produce quite verbose prose. STE100 is good for specs and explanations but it works best with a glossary or terms. will burn tokens.
wpascabout 2 hours ago
idk who came up with it first, but ASD-STE100 has been floating around more since matt pocock put it in one of his skills
getnormalityabout 3 hours ago
This is a problem that people mostly have to solve themselves. Like, I've been working with Claude for almost a year now and I have never once seen it write "Arrow Anti-Pattern" code. That, and much of the rest, would be fluff in my projects. Agent instructions are best learned from experience project-by-project.
Geeeabout 2 hours ago
I feel like claude.md is like Asimov's laws of robotics. Whatever you write there ends up eventually messing up everything.
jdiff29 minutes ago
Anything that goes into the context window has that going for it. That's a huge part of why Claude's gone absolutely bonkers with genuine, brutal honesty. The system prompt's absolutely stuffed full of those keywords, so now every single output is tainted with that right from the start.
tomr75about 1 hour ago
I think this is dated. I wonder if the author has tried codex/other harnesses
eschatonabout 1 hour ago
I didn’t see anything in there instructing the LLM not to generate text about goblins.
Luker88about 2 hours ago
I had good results with making it add a few lines with a summary of RFC 2119/8147 keywords (SHALL/MUST...), and then using those, uppercase.

local llm remain more in line like that.

FooBarWidgetabout 2 hours ago
One tactic I’ve found helpful is multi pass quality improvement. First make it work. Then review for guidelines adherence. Loop until satisfied.
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bellowsgulchabout 2 hours ago
I've read a few of these over the years, and none of them seem to be useful. I have three sentences in my custom instructions, and those are basically all useless, too.

Even my second one, "Avoid decorative or section-header comments. Never use `----` or `====` as comment separators. Comments should explain only non-obvious behavior, rationale, constraints, or implementation details." seems to be ignored by models regularly, so I don't see the point.

But this is in my private harness. Perhaps other harnesses have better instruction following. My custom instructions are prepended to my first user message, not set as a system message.

dan_gggggabout 1 hour ago
> I've read a few of these over the years, and none of them seem to be useful.

AI users are overwhelmingly addicts who are lying to themselves and the people around them. I've lost patience for their kind.

dude250711about 2 hours ago
It seems like everyone goes through a detailed AGENTS.md phase.
latchkey36 minutes ago
this was what i was doing 3-4 months ago. i just have AI write/update my agents.md file now as i find problems. i also have ai keep a set of design documentation that it can update as it goes too. oh and he should try omp+codex/xhigh, he will probably be less annoyed.
acedTrexabout 3 hours ago
Agents.md is such a ridiculous concept, just write good contributing docs and then optionally @ the file in whatever agetn file you use.

That way everyone benefits.

FooBarWidgetabout 2 hours ago
No, why should I have to remember to @ in every prompt? Or ask contributors to remember. It just makes it easier to make human mistakes. I have better things to do than micromanagement. There is huge value in auto-included context.
anygivnthursdayabout 2 hours ago
The GP wrote @ it from the agents.md file, not from the prompt. Their point was that instead of writing "how to contribute" instructions for agents, you could explain that in the CONTRIBUTING.md and link it from your agents file, so both humans and agents read it from one place.
formerly_provenabout 1 hour ago
Symlinks exist, but it's kind of ridiculous all harnesses just ignore CONTRIBUTING, HACKING and friends.
acedTrexabout 2 hours ago
You put the @ in the context file the LLMs all use, claudemd agentsmd whatever the thing that most harnesses force load.

Then the model will go discover what it needs to.