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1970-01-01about 3 hours ago
>It wasn’t truly a full 32-bit operating system, because there was still MS-DOS at the core if you dug deep enough.

Yes it wasn't truly 32-bit but the core was not MS-DOS. It was a hybrid. The Win95 kernel was 32-bit and drove almost all of the system, including memory. 16-bit DOS was used as a launching pad and then it's job shifted to handle 16-bit graphics and other hardware that was unable to work with the new 32-bit kernel. So you booted 16-bit DOS, and as WIN.EXE executed, the system transmorphed from 16-bit into a 32-bit (kernel) OS but some of that core 16-bit driver code was designed to remain welded onto it. Even more impressive is how you could dissolve this 32-bit level and return the system to 16-bit DOS. That remains a very impressive achievement 30 years later. Happy anniversary Windows 95!

TazeTSchnitzelabout 2 hours ago
The way Windows 95 could use DOS device drivers despite being 32-bit was fairly incredible. I think that fooled a lot of people into thinking it really was running on top of DOS, when in reality, once it has booted, the reverse is the case. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20071224-00/?p=24...
anonymarsabout 1 hour ago
Related implication: the slow floppy formatting (https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20090102-00/?p=19...)
netsharcabout 1 hour ago
It's WIN.COM, by the way.

When Windows didn't have a driver for some hardware, it would tell you it's "using 16-bit driver" (or was it DOS driver?). So it's all 32-bit.

Hah, this reminds me of Win32s on Windows 3.1x...

1970-01-0120 minutes ago
Yes, WIN.COM was the file. All I can remember about Win32s is that it added another level of DLL hell.
initramfsabout 1 hour ago
"The box stated that it required a 386DX or better processor, 4 MB of more of RAM, and approximately 50 MB of disk space. Nothing stopped you from installing it on a 386SX. I know because I tried it, mostly out of morbid curiosity. It took forever to install. Booting took forever too. And once it managed to boot, it took forever to do anything.

But if you had a system that met the minimum stated requirements, the experience was still pretty terrible.

The minimum most of us recommended at the time for acceptable performance was a 486 faster than 33 MHz, 8 MB of RAM, and 100 MB of disk space. And some will take issue with that today, because the experience on a machine like that still wasn’t very good. You had to draw the line somewhere, and then, as now, different people had different definitions of words like “minimum” and “acceptable.”

You really needed a Pentium-class machine to be happy with Win95, and I think Win95 did a lot to goose Pentium sales for Intel. If you could afford a 100 or 120 MHz Pentium with 16 or 32 MB of RAM and at least a 540 megabyte hard drive, you were much happier with it."

I had a Pentium 100MHz, and 8MB was acceptable, although I had a friend with 16MB and a 166MHz, and the grass always seemed greener. He was able to play Tomb Raider.

I make a lot of retro videos and tested a 386 on 4MB of RAM here: https://github.com/hatonthecat/linux_distro_tests#9-26-24-wi...

https://nand2mario.github.io/posts/2026/z486/ https://ei2030.github.io/FemtoTX/#about One can make Windows 95 solar powered again. The first time was at ISSCC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juy8xP-hUtA

spapas82about 1 hour ago
I had a 486 sx4 100 and was more or less ok
initramfsabout 1 hour ago
I also tested a 386 at 16MHz & 40MHz too: https://youtu.be/83eiLicpsTM
ramijamesabout 4 hours ago
I remember being 15, that August. We were excited for this release. My dorky friends and I went to a local computer store and tried to get the clerk to show us what Windows 95 was like. He had a pre-release version installed on one of their computers. I don't even remember how we knew.

The clerk refused to show us. I'm still irritated about it.

tostiabout 3 hours ago
I tried a beta and was unimpressed. I tried to talk my dad out of buying it because it sucked... He went to the store and bought it with 4x4M EDO RAM DIMMs.

The clerk might've been afraid showing it would put people off.

rcontiabout 1 hour ago
It's hard to imagine not being impressed by the step up from 3.1

My 486 only had 4MB of RAM and I couldn't afford the $400-$500 to take it to 16GB so I actually switched to Linux in August of 95, amusingly enough.

ramijamesabout 3 hours ago
Ya, could be. We didn't get a copy at home for a while. Mostly, I remember when we got a new 486, which did have Windows 95. It was a multimedia machine with a CD-ROM and a fancy new copy of Myst. I remember being totally blown away.
TZubiriabout 3 hours ago
Funny to think of W95 like some kind of luxury that a shopkeeper has to keep teenagers out, as if you were trying to test drive a Mercedes, or trying out guitars like that scene from Wayne's World (1992)
unleadedabout 1 hour ago
If you have 90 minutes with nothing else to do I highly recommend giving the launch event with Jay Leno a watch.. it's really something unique. https://youtu.be/_JzfROUDsK0
Kranar9 minutes ago
This might just be because it's a demo, but man are things ever fast... they open up a document and it just instantly comes up. They load a video and bam, instant. There's a little segment where Bill Gates is showing off opening up multiple instances of Excel and they open up so quickly. I tried opening up Excel on my desktop PC and the speed is nowhere close to what this video is showing. I open up a document nowadays and there's a splash screen, there's some lag as the application checks if there's an update, the application appears and the layout starts to jitter and flicker... none of that is in this demo.

Obviously some of this is for show, but even still it indicates people cared about having a very smooth and snappy user experience back then and that it was absolutely important to showcase performance. Somewhere along the way developers just quietly agreed that latency is the user's problem.

1stranger27 minutes ago
Not to mention the Windows 95 Jennifer Aniston and Matthew Perry... thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ypXfodOu-s
scottiousabout 3 hours ago
My 10 year old brain was blown when I discovered the Buddy Holly music video on the Windows 95 CD. I just couldn't comprehend the idea of a music video being played on a computer. Felt like magic. Such different times.
ingsoc79about 1 hour ago
As a teenage nerd downloading and playing videos on his Pentium II with a 14" SVGA monitor this Onion article cracked me up https://theonion.com/new-5-000-multimedia-computer-system-do...
netsharcabout 1 hour ago
nobleach11 minutes ago
Heard it in my mind before I even had the pointer over the link! This and Buddy Holly got played pretty often.
kilroy123about 3 hours ago
We're the same age then. I, too, was blown away.

I was soooo excited when my family bought a PC with 95 on it. My best friend, who had Windows 3.1, was so jealous.

dekdrop14 minutes ago
Where can I get a copy orf Windows 95 nowadays?
throwaway_20357about 2 hours ago
Shouldn't we rather celebrate the GA of Windows NT4 Workstation on August 24, 1996? It was 30 years ago and an amazing OS that at least for some tasks made me switch back from SuSe Linux.
juancnabout 2 hours ago
It was amazing, I was doing my first year in software engineering at the time and it felt like the future, the multimedia was impressive.

At the same time Linux was really getting off the ground (RedHat released about then) and if your hardware supported it it felt rock solid. The multi user experience was amazing and it made you feel like a wizard.

I got to play with Qnx's bootable disk at about that time too. It came with a beautiful manual explaining the architecture.

There was Windows NT and OS2/Warp too.

I didn't play a lot with the BSD variants.

It was truly a magical time for OS enthusiasts.

billygoatabout 2 hours ago
I was living in Seattle that summer, and Apple had plastered the city buses with big ads that week, and they simply stated,

C:\ONGRTLNS.W95

The article left out the triumphant arrival of long filenames.

That summer also marked the end of all my attempts to get friends and coworkers to switch to OS/2... although my linux experiments were ramping up at about the same time. Heady days!

rcontiabout 1 hour ago
That's funny. Somehow it completely escaped my notice.

I lived on the Eastside at the time, and I remember it being all over the news that Bill and Steve were running all over town in someone's 911 (I forget whether it was Bill or Steve's), blasting "start me up" and going to a bunch of launch parties at software stores.

ChrisArchitectabout 1 hour ago
^that's "CONGRATULATIONS w95" ... didn't see it at first ;)

90s Apple snark alongside full page ads in the press with lines like "Introducing Windows 95. It lets you use more than eight characters to name your files." "It has a trash can you can open and take things out of again." "It lets you drop files anywhere you want on the desktop." "Imagine that."

But where were they really?

Meanwhile we do remember the giant Windows 95 Start button banner on the CN Tower in Toronto. Marketing. Frenzy.

creaturemachine7 minutes ago
Don't forget the guy they hired to rappel off the tower while demonstrating it on a laptop. Why not, right?
fraserphysicsabout 3 hours ago
I had a summer visiting professor job at Intel at the time doing signal processing. They set me up to use MatLab under Windows95. I installed Linux and code from Numerical Recipes to get around various limitations. Andy Grove had just banned Macs because they didn't use Intel chips. They believed the WinTel duopoly was giving them "more money than God." (A phrase that I first heard at Intel that summer)
hn_submitabout 2 hours ago
Me and my colleagues had been downloading preview versions for months and it was such a revelation compared to 3.11. Except, it was (under the covers) still MS-DOS based.

I can remember having fun editing several bytes of the GDI.EXE or USER.EXE with a hex-editor when a colleague went to bathroom. You should've seen their faces when they got back and the screen turned funny colors.

Suffice to say we all installed Windows NT Workstation when we had the chance because it was much more stable.

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hiltiabout 2 hours ago
I really do miss it, because it felt like a huge productivity jump and a logical organized UI and file system.

When Windows Vista got released I switched over to Mac.

Insanityabout 2 hours ago
Kind of insane to think about how in the span of 30 years we went from Win95 / DOOM-style games to UE5 and effective (to some degree) large language models. In a year-over-year view not much changes, but decade-over-decade is quite a different story.

When 95 released, smartphones weren't a thing, internet wasn't common for households, and downloading an album would take you a day if you were one of the lucky ones with an internet connection lol.

netsharc41 minutes ago
I don't think MP3s were a widespread thing in August 1995.

That makes me wonder what the first pirated song was that was ripped to MP3 and provided for download over the Internet...

Georgelementalabout 3 hours ago
Four years minus one day after the first announcement of Linux
vlowrianabout 2 hours ago
For anyone interested in a celebratory flashback: set your desktop background color to #008080 (https://desktopcolors.com/os/windows-95).
spogbiperabout 3 hours ago
I remember being a big OS/2 user/fan and thinking surely everyone would realize that Win95 was inferior. I was wrong.
alberthabout 1 hour ago
Wasn't Windows NT based on OS/2, which ended up taking over all of Windows starting with 2000 & XP?
spogbiperabout 1 hour ago
Kind of but not really. As I understand it some of the OS/2 dev team at Microsoft was involved in NT (after MS and IBM stopped working on OS/2 together) but they aren't the same code. The NT core is more closely related to DEC VMS than to OS/2. It can be confusing because the name OS/2 was applied to things that are NT at certain points along the way, and NT did have an OS/2 compatibility layer
phusionabout 2 hours ago
I was so excited to install this and finally be rid of Win 3.11. I was 13 or so when this came out and really just coming into my own with IT stuff, building PCs and whatnot. It was really mind blowing back then.
robotnikmanabout 2 hours ago
I still have nostalgia for Window 95 and 98, they were the OS's I grew up with as a kid
hotenabout 1 hour ago
Why does the URL say 20th
Symbioteabout 1 hour ago
An earlier version of the article was published in 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20190606165920/https://dfarq.hom...
jimt123420 minutes ago
I remember feeling like I was becoming obsolete by Windows 95. I had built up a skillset getting Windows 3.1 configured properly and connected to this new thing called "the internet" (Trumpet Winsock!). Then Windows 95 came out with everything built-in - TCP/IP, browser, email, and most of all, plug-and-play.
phendrenad2about 2 hours ago
There have been so many Desktop Environments over the years, but I still feel that Windows 95 perfected the desktop experience.

Even today, if you look at MacOS, it's just the Windows 95 interface, with the taskbar moved to the top of the screen, open tasks kept on the bottom of the screen, and instead of a Start menu, there's Spotlight Search. Same thing, messier execution (just to be different).

exitb21 minutes ago
> if you look at MacOS, it's just the Windows 95 interface

That may be true, but certainly not because macOS got inspired by Windows, rather because Windows 95 was inspired by NeXTStep.

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brcmthrowawayabout 2 hours ago
What was Apple doing at the time? Probably failing to ship Copland.

Microsoft dominated the 90s like no other.

snitzrabout 3 hours ago
I still remember some kid at school swearing that if the release date slipped into 1996 that Microsoft would get the US government to keep the calendar 1995.