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Like there's communism which is centralized planning and the state owning the means of production.
Then I think there's Adam Smiths ideal form of capitalism that I think can loosely be described as independent demand signals allocate resources throughout the economy.
What happens when a capital accumulates in a smaller pool of folks who choose how to allocate those resources. Silicon Valley isn't responding to demand, it's essentially centrally planning where to assign resources to create demand.
Of course, this is very idealistic and simplistic.
However, what did people think was going to happen when the common wisdom is to put your money into an index and then shut up? It simply cannot be true that putting money into the index means you win. There's cost somewhere, a parasite on the system, that is going to come due at some point.
Warning about companies being able to command regulation on themselves. We're far past anything Adam Smith would have thought was a good idea for how we organize capital and commerce.
At the extreme with 'AI' - there's no need for firms to exist.
'Power to the people' was always transitory - do you think the govt is dumb? Lets take a simple form of capital: cameras. Would cheap cameras exist without the private sector competing for shareholders interests? Probably not.
They aid and abet it. It benefits their own interests. This game goes on until the govt no longer see's the need for a private sector anymore.
IMO a more important question is: what happens when the market power of a segment of society grows much greater than the rest? In a "K-shaped" economy, the top 20% have so much spending power (and even more future spending power) than their demand signals can overwhelm the rest. Then IMO the market won't respond to the demand signals of the bottom 20% and capitalism stops working for all. Add to that the possibility of AI automating more and more work and you have a system that only works for folks at the tops.
This isn't a resource allocation problem! it's a purchasing power distribution problem.
The things limiting provision of services are physical limits like the audience being widely dispersed or just characteristics like not all sharing the same needs and therefore not actually being addressable.
You obviously are well aware that addressability does not track with income category automatically but it does for many businesses. E.g. payday loans, rent to own, check cashing, dollar stores.
Since a large section of this group is in use of government credits, at the least businesses will evolve to meet the use of those. EBT grocers, Medicaid-focused care, etc.
The majority of the effort will be spent where the greatest economic opportunity is, but entrepreneurs will match their ability to address the market to their audience. It’s not possible for a dollar store to sell GPUs to Baseten. They don’t have the capability to do something useful there.
Thats literally how the whole economic system functions.
This is probably the most demand-mediated response of all time. The natural form of that is that the guy who we give lots of money to for his stuff is going to have lots to spend.
People have this idea that Adam Smith "idealized" capitalism or that the Wealth of Nations is some sort of manifesto. It's much more of an empirical research (by the standards of the time) with observations and findings. It's equally useful if you're a communist or a free-market capitalist.
Adam Smith himself was fairly skeptical of massive corporations capital accumulation:
> "The directors of such companies, however, being the managers rather of other people's money than of their own, it cannot well be expected that they should watch over it with the same anxious vigilance with which the partners in a private copartnery frequently watch over their own. Like the stewards of a rich man, they are apt to consider attention to small matters as not for their master's honour, and very easily give themselves a dispensation from having it. Negligence and profusion, therefore, must always prevail, more or less, in the management of the affairs of such a company."
Then Lenin concluded that if you will always have concentration of power and some folks doing centralized planning, it might well be the state.
This is exactly where things are heading.
Theres no need for firms anymore at the extreme - the govt can own all.
If you want a good starting point book for an alternative to traditional capitalism and with a focus on the commons with none of this baggage, I highly recommend Henry George (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_George) and "Progress and Poverty" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_and_Poverty) as it is a head-and-shoulders better read.
For anyone interested in reading more from Marx's side, Wage Labour And Capital by Marx is a pamphlet meant for mass distribution and not a difficult read. I've heard A People's Guide To Capitalism recommended as a high quality modernized version of the same ideas.
The other related word is Oligarchy, rule by a select few that think they know better than everyone else. Oligarchy seems to be a failure case of most modes of politics and economics. Capitalism and communism both fail over to oligarchy when left unchecked.
It's been argued that for as many centuries as humanity spent under feudalism that oligarchy is almost the "default state" of politics and economics and it takes great effort to avoid it. Adam Smith saw economic monopolies and knew they were a failure case of capitalism from early on. Capitalism was built on top of breaking apart monopolies like the East India Trading Company. We've always known that capitalism is just as likely to slip into oligarchy as any other "ideal" form of resource allocation/economics, especially because it started as oligarchy.