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hackyhackyabout 2 hours ago
> Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

Yes. That's the point. The administration doesn't care about fixing whatever hypothetical mail ballot fraud may or may not exist; they are doing this to inject chaos into the election results, giving them cover to claim any result they want or even to just throw out the results entirely. Catastrophic problems are the means to that end.

llm_nerdabout 1 hour ago
It isn't just injecting chaos, but instead is trying to engineer an outcome. Find every mechanism and group that is likely to vote against you, and do everything possible to disenfranchise those voters. They've already gotten a ruling that ballots received after a cutoff do not count, regardless of the reason, so now they're engineering assurances that they get to choose from where ballots can be selectively delayed.
clumsysmurf3 minutes ago
Speaking of engineering outcomes, today I read:

“He had told me [before the election] he was going to unleash the ‘anomaly in the matrix,’ ” St. Clair says in championed documentarist Alex Gibney’s film, Musk"

cogman10about 1 hour ago
Regardless what anyone thinks about the security of voting in the US. I'd hope that they could see how massively upending multiple states' voting systems 2 months before the midterms is a really bad idea. Even with the best intentions, implementing such a sweeping untested change so rapidly is a horrible idea.

(No, I don't support it regardless, but surely even if you do you could recognize that the timeframe is way too short).

Terr_about 1 hour ago
To go beyond the understatement of "bad idea" (and likely make the subtext into text): This thing is unmistakable malice, not mere incompetence.

There's no "oops I didn't know" or "oops I timed the project wrong" or "oops I forgot about the election deadline" or "oops nobody told me about the court-order prohibiting it", etc.

majormajor6 minutes ago
There's a voted-into-oblivion reply to this from someone trying to both-sides things "I don't want to hear about it when it was changed quickly for Covid too".

but it doesn't work...anything then was done under literally the same President we have today?

That's pretty damn hilarious: *don't complain to me about the Trump admin fucking with the voting system on short notice in 2026 since the Trump admin also fucked with the voting system on short notice in 2020!"

(At least there was a major national emergency going on that time...)

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It's a point in favor of the "malicious" theory, though. Here's arguably the person who would have the most reason to not fuck with things last-minute, who complained at no end about the results, is now making his own last minute changes... hmmmm.... must still believe he got cheated, and is intentionally trying to cheat instead.

llm_nerdabout 1 hour ago
There is something incredibly cancerous when a certain party abhors democracy, and does everything they can to undermine the voting rights or access to groups they think won't vote for them.

I would expect most Americans would see this as grotesquely anti-American, and absolutely against the principals of the country. Instead it barely makes news and is just another "get whatever advantage you can" tactic.

dplgk21 minutes ago
Trump supporters used to speak up on this site. Surely they still exist but all I hear is crickets
MithrilTuxedoabout 2 hours ago
What business is it of the USPS except to transmit all mail regardless of purpose?

The fact that the USPS would notice elections were being conducted is perverse.

skybrian33 minutes ago
I'm wondering how easy the USPS is to route around.

In California's last election, there were 2,758 drop-box locations and 3,546 polling locations. In cities, these are often within walking distance. In rural areas, they might not be so convenient.

So it seems like, at least for returning ballots, any USPS snafus would affect rural voters (which skew Republican) more than urban?

Delivering is another question. I wonder if local governments could drop off ballots if they needed to?

hyperhello14 minutes ago
No, the procedures are designed to reject more votes in blue areas, just like the procedures that somehow conclude that people named Williams, John, or Washington should be dropped from the rolls for being similarly named as other people named Williams, John, or Washington.
UltraSane43 minutes ago
Trump wrecks everything he touches.
voidfunc27 minutes ago
Trump sucks but this is more pure GOP bullshit to suppress voting and keep minority power.
UltraSane25 minutes ago
They are all working together. Trump has absolutely no respect for voting and is terrified of Democrats getting majorities in the midterms.
voidfunc20 minutes ago
Unfortunately they are going to succeed.
ck21 day ago
good thing it's completely illegal for the federal government to interfere with state voting proceedure

> For instance, the Postal Service has what the whistleblower claims is a "zero percent failure rate."

> Mail workers would scan a sample of a batch of mail ballots — about 400 out of a batch of 10,000 or more — to verify it matches what is in the federal mail ballot portal.

> Under the policy, if even one barcode on a single ballot in the batch doesn't scan properly or the information does not match, the entire batch would be rejected and returned to state election officials so the problem ballot could be addressed, and then the verification process would have to be started again.

mafuyabout 2 hours ago
This is not the job of the postal service, but of the government. There is zero reason to outsource verification, and the postal service ought to vehemently reject this attempt to shift responsibility. Though I guess they won't, seeing as they are gleichgeschaltet.
mcmcmcabout 2 hours ago
You realize USPS is the government right? It’s literally in the Constitution
Terr_about 1 hour ago
> USPS is the government

The wrong government! Voter rolls etc. are state responsibilities, not a federal ones.

And please, don't spend a second entertaining any crocodile-tears and pearl-clutching from Republicans about how "maybe states don't have rights and need consistent standards" all of a sudden. Nobody with any good-intentions for reform would wait until right before a major election to do something crazy that could disenfranchise millions.

Ex: "Stop being so mean to Bob, he just wanted to help out with platform stability when he stole that SSH key to push an un-reviewed hotfix to prod while betting the company stock would crash on a gambling site."

jibal19 minutes ago
Fallacy of composition. It would be factual to say that the USPS is part of the federal government, but then the statement becomes completely irrelevant.

And no, the USPS is not in the Constitution. Article I Section 8 gives Congress the power "To establish Post Offices and post Roads". They executed that power via legislation. The USPS didn't come into being until 1970, replacing the United States Post Office Department, a branch of the cabinet. The legislation creating the USPS says that it "shall not make any undue or unreasonable discrimination among users of the mails" -- what Trump has tasked it to do is in direct violation of that law.

Jordan-117about 2 hours ago
They don't care if it's illegal. They'll do it anyway and trust in the tainted result being a fait accompli that the courts can't (or won't) resolve.
BigTTYGothGFabout 2 hours ago
> good thing it's completely illegal for the federal government to interfere with state voting proceedure

Oh yeah that'll stop them.

grim_ioabout 2 hours ago
Assuming they check 400 out of 10k, and assuming someone would want to cause any meaningful discrepancies >= 1% of the ballots, meaning 100 problematic ballots per 10k batch.

This system would catch it 98,3% of the time. Pretty good, I'd say.

tenuousemphasisabout 2 hours ago
Ok now what's the potential false positive rate?
peterleiserabout 1 hour ago
1 million ballots at 10,000 per batch means 100 batches. It seems they will use 400 ballots from each batch as a sample, and if anything is wrong for one of those 400 sample ballots, then the entire batch of 10,000 is sent back. Some nefarious actor could find 100 messed up ballots and include one in each sample of 400, and viola! 100 ballots invalidates 1 million votes. That's quite a system they got there.
gWPVhyxPHqvkabout 2 hours ago
It's still funny thinking that there's people out there in 2026 who think that "it's illegal" will stop the Trump administration.
downrightmike1 day ago
That sample is wrong for statistics, 4% is literally not significant. It's also too much for sample controls
daveguyabout 3 hours ago
No one ever accused this administration of being competent.
emerilabout 3 hours ago
maybe so, but it is very vocal about they are the most modest