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mmastrac23 minutes ago
Any idea what size this is?
mrbluecoatabout 2 hours ago
scotty79about 2 hours ago
Is the fact that everybody almost catches up with the frontier a sign that we are entering a new region of sigmoid curve?
schopra909about 2 hours ago
Progress is iterative. Everyone is always riffing on other’s ideas and can execute on them given enough support (eg $$). The person to get to an idea first is just 5% away, so it’s possible to catch up.

Moreover,I think it’s impossible to know if you’re hitting a portion of the sigmoid, because there will often be an idea that changes the trajectory altogether.

In 2024, there was a ton of talk about the plateau. Reasoning was an iteration on chain of thought, but it didn’t really work. Deepseek proposes RLVR as a way to get around the lack of $ they have to produce human reasoning trace data. That small iteration catches the eye of OpenAI and Anthropic, turns out to be way more important than even DeepSeek could have ever expected when it comes to improving LLMs for coding, and last 18 months have been an exercise on riding that insight to the nth degree.

That one small iteration brought us a lot of progress. Now we’re seemingly exhausting the impact of that one insight, but there may be another soon enough.

stymaarabout 2 hours ago
> Deepseek proposes RLVR as a way to get around the lack of $ they have to produce human reasoning trace data.

What was the difference between what deepseek did for R1 and what OpenAI did for o1?

refulgentisabout 1 hour ago
I don’t know why people think DeepSeek did reasoning models / RLVR before OpenAI, there was a gap of months.
ipsum27 minutes ago
Yes. It's really up to OpenAI/Anthropic to release a new paradigm to shift the curve now, before everyone catches up entirely.
samuelknightabout 2 hours ago
Meta has an enormous amount of compute. They are either going use it making and inferencing models or they are going to sell their excess capacity to model providers. Zuck had to completely rebuild his AI team after the Llama 4 launch mess.
redox99about 2 hours ago
No because the frontier keeps advancing very fast.
dominotwabout 2 hours ago
meta fails at everything yet is frontier on this one
mgaunardabout 2 hours ago
They could have just called the article "struggling to remain relevant"
tonyhart7about 2 hours ago
Meta is the last big tech come to AI race, so I would give prop to them for catching up