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sdenton412 minutes ago
Allow me to make a small recommendation for the "best related work": Ada Palmer's 'Inventing the Renaissance.'

It's a fantastic work of complex history, told with the tools of science fiction and fantasy writing. But it remains a high quality academic work: the tools are used to unravel the telling of a gay and complicated topic, but you still get the vastness.

If you like ACOUP, it should be right up your alley.

b473a37 minutes ago
Clair Obscur is going to be game of the year every year for the next decade.
sdenton422 minutes ago
Which is too bad, because Blue Prince is the better game. :)

I'm playing through Clair Obscur now. It's above average for aaa stuff. But there are way too many cut scenes, and dodge/parry mechanics continue to be tedious. And the story is fine, but isn't really grabbing me. Sigh.

Blue Prince, on the other hand, is quite probably the best puzzle game I have ever played. My partner and I worked on it for months, and have a 50+ page Google doc of notes.

fooker4 minutes ago
> worked on it for months, and have a 50+ page Google doc of notes.

That sounds more like a part time job than a game. I'm curious if you play it for the mental challenge? I feel challenged enough at $dayjob that all I want from games is mindless relaxation.

fslothabout 1 hour ago
Sinners was very cool but I'm surprised to find it as Hugo winner.
bborabout 1 hour ago
Sinners was a scifi movie...? About vampires in the past...?! Wild. Ditto for Claire Oscura: Expedition 33, which I thought was high fantasy / steampunk at most.

*EDIT:* It appears I'm just being silly, and the Hugos include fantasy. Ironically, the biggest fantasy series of our time by far has won 3 times in Novella form and once in TV form, but never the novels!

mapontoseventhsabout 1 hour ago
The difference between science fiction and fantasy was always only a tenuous distinction imposed by the few nerds who cared a little too much.

As we age out of being culturally relevant, and newer (likely less literate) generations take over the definitions will change, and perhaps should.

To me only hard science fiction will ever count, but I recognize that I'm in the minority there and also don't want to scare away the three remaining readers through gatekeeping.

ycombineteabout 1 hour ago
What is the biggest fantasy series of our time?
stevenwoo21 minutes ago
A Song of Ice and Fire (contemporary writing I assume), it lost to Harry Potter book against one of GRRM’s best books/chance for win in novel category one year and Spin in another year(Accelerando was another nominee that year)
SamBamabout 1 hour ago
You're not the only one to be taken aback by that. Yes, the Hugos do fantasy, but I'm not sure I would have even thought to categorize Sinners as fantasy.

I mean, yes, it has vampires. Was From Dusk till Dawn fantasy?

But as a sister comment suggests, categorization is never easy, and probably just reinforced personal biases. (See Old Town Road being reminded from Billboard's country music list.)

lokar2 minutes ago
Culture is fluid, it must be to continue. Categories like this will evolve, expand, and shrink over time.
neaden43 minutes ago
I think by definition any vampire story is a fantasy story yes. Since vampires are not real and thus a fantasy creature.
SamBam31 minutes ago
There's more to Fantasy than a single boolean "does it contain something that is not real?"

Fantasy gets applied to the work as a whole, to its dominant tone and structure, not to one element. A work of fantasy usually has other elements that show it to be such. Is there world-building? Is it a quest or a hero story? Is there some kind of lore that grounds the whole universe? Not all of those are necessary, but usually you can clearly define the whole work holistically as Fantasy.

From Dusk till Dawn in particular is a straight crime thriller that turns into a horror movie.

Ok, I got nerd-sniped into trying to define Fantasy after saying I wouldn't.

BigTTYGothGF20 minutes ago
Vampires aren't any more fantastical than FTL travel, and yet we're perfectly happy to have that in SF.
welferkj37 minutes ago
I'd say that line can be blurred somewhat by "Blindsight". "Not real" isn't where I'd put the line, it's "not plausibly and consistently explained (or at least explained away) within the laws of nature.
krapp39 minutes ago
I'm comfortable considering horror as a subgenre of fantasy. Vampires and folklore and magic are staples of fantasy after all.
plisken20 minutes ago
Snakes on a plane fantasy?