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croon31 minutes ago
Much to my wife's chagrin I never have anything on my wishlist since I'm not a huge fan of (receiving) gifts in general, but I did put the X4 on my list a couple of months ago, since my decade+ old Kobo is getting long in the tooth, and I don't enjoy the manual syncing.

I wanted it mostly due to this: https://github.com/crosspoint-reader/crosspoint-reader

Has anyone tried it out?

stigi10 minutes ago
Crosspoint is the way to go, imho. Together with the CrossX app (https://github.com/jtvargas/crosspoint-app) it's so nice! Nicely supports sending web articles as epubs onto the X3/X4 device (I use X3).
jacekabout 2 hours ago
I got an X4 (slightly larger model) less than 2 months ago and I already finished 9 books on it. It is always in my pocket and I started reaching for it instead of my phone during tiny moments of boredom. Sometimes it's just a few paragraphs when I'm waiting for a train, but it is also surprisingly good for longer reading sessions.
fg13716 minutes ago
I have an X4 as well, but shamefully I have to admit I find myself browsing HN much more than reading on X4, despite being a reader of physical books and kindle
TwoFerMaggie28 minutes ago
The portability is such a game changer compared to the usual kindle-like devices. Compared to my kindle which I have to put in my backpack or only when I have big coat pockets in the winter, this can be put in my pocket and taken everywhere.

I wish they have a magsafe case with 1-2 card holder slots, then it would just be a perfect wallet replacement.

yoavmabout 2 hours ago
Same experience with the X4 Pro. Can wholeheartedly recommend. It feels like reading became much more accessible to me all of a sudden.
trymasabout 2 hours ago
It's so sad that X4 Pro does not have USB-C.

They have added backlight, but still left charging/connecting to proprietary magnetic adapter.

embedding-shapeabout 1 hour ago
> It's so sad that X4 Pro does not have USB-C.

Yeah, the connector they've made is absolutely bananas, wonder what they were thinking? Was there a 3rd-party docking ecosystem they were expecting to be spawned by this, or something? The magnetic connector by itself makes no sense, unless I severely misunderstand how it's supposed to be used in practice.

bonsai_spoolabout 1 hour ago
> proprietary magnetic adapter

They're supposedly not proprietary but a standard size that's easily replaced.

hn_submitabout 1 hour ago
I bought a 6 inch model for $60 (it's now double the price) from another brand a couple months ago and I love it. A 4 inch screen is just too small IMHO.
darreninthenetabout 1 hour ago
I was thinking of getting one for exactly the use case you've described here but then I thought, "why don't I just get my phone out and read the ebooks directly on that?"

Can you explain to me why one of these is better for this please?

OliveMateabout 1 hour ago
It's hard to explain to someone who hasn't used an e-reader, but e-paper screens just look more natural, they also don't require a backlight so they can be easier on the eyes. Combined with a matt display, you can comfortably use them in direct sunlight without having to faff about with brightness or finding shade.

Also e-readers have way less distractions than a phone.

toughabout 1 hour ago
A phone is a gateway to much more than just reading books, so your brain might prefer it.

Also notifications etc

embedding-shapeabout 1 hour ago
Personally I much prefer e-ink when I read for more than 10 minutes or so. The LED light from my phone just makes my eyes tired, while e-ink + "backlight" (guess it's really "kind of from the front light" in reality) just feels like reading normal paper.

The font rendering in the official firmware isn't that great though, especially compared to even a old phone screen. I had much better text rendering with 3rd party firmware.

BSOhealthabout 1 hour ago
it's hard to complain about this device, but here are my random ones:

1. yes, it is small and wonderful to one-handed read with, but _everyone_ around you notices you have a unique, small ereader in your palm. granted, maybe just reflects my self-consciousness. but until these are more ubiquitous, you'll be getting looks on the train/plane.

2. the whole "stick it on the back of your phone" idea is super silly and a bit of a gimmick at least:

2a. I don't want to make my expensive phone larger by volume and weight

2b. I do struggle to not fool around with my phone, and simply using "the back of the phone" is about the equivalent of being given a cigarette upside down as if that will stop me from smoking it.

3. after 14 years of Kindles, it's obvious how much better the eink tech is in premium devices (not a game changer at all, at most a nitpick)

yeah it's a super great device. I got it when prices were a bit lower a few months ago and it was a no-brainer. if you're really into reading and being thrifty/resourceful to get your ebooks, I'd check it out.

criddell25 minutes ago
I use a Kindle Oasis and love it.

I’ve seen the Xteink devices mentioned here and am intrigued, but the screenshots turn me off instantly. The font rendering or hyphenation or kerning (not sure exactly what) looked terrible.

Fortunately, since these run open source software, this will likely eventually be fixed. The Kindles weren’t great at the start either, so I have a lot of hope for future versions of the Xteink devices.

BSOhealth4 minutes ago
100%, the fonts are barely acceptable. if anyone has one, would love a github library to help with this…
embedding-shapeabout 1 hour ago
> 1. yes, it is small and wonderful to one-handed read with, but _everyone_ around you notices you have a unique, small ereader in your palm. granted, maybe just reflects my self-consciousness. but until these are more ubiquitous, you'll be getting looks on the train/plane.

This is a new complaint I haven't heard, might I ask where in the world this is? I use my X4 Pro out in cafes, beaches and general public in Spain, and I don't think a single person have glanced in my direction because of it. But I also see plenty of other people with their e-readers too, some larger and some smaller, but no one is giving them any looks or side-eyes, it's relatively common here at least.

BSOhealth42 minutes ago
I travel a lot for work and life. NYC, Boston, Chicago, Seattle, Vancouver, Toronto, etc.

to be clear, these are not "side eyes" in a negative sense. it's more just peoples' curiosity, which can be a bit uncomfortable if you notice that type of thing while you're trying to read.

I think speaks to the fact that we all expect some normalization around iphones/pixels/kindles/switches in terms of the "expected" devices people might have in-hand.

maxgluteabout 1 hour ago
I guess more sensible than Yotaphone. Still annoyed we got 3rd screen on foldables before eink.

E: also waiting for this formfactor to get optimaxxed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL05zoHBGwA

Little eink dogtag that flips through one sentence at time.

jwrallie12 minutes ago
I love my Xteink. It’s so small and lightweight I can take it anywhere. It runs fully on free software, and I paid close to nothing for the Chinese version on AliExpress.

I’ll use a bigger e-reader at home, and carry it to continue reading my book on the go. I have it for close to two months and charged it only once.

My favorite thing is that simply having it nearby showing the book cover is an invitation to read.

ameliusabout 1 hour ago
This could never have been invented in SV. You cannot show large bright colored advertisements on it!
xdertz14 minutes ago
As someone that mainly switched to e-readers because of bad eyes, this is way too small. Even the bigger x4 seems too small for the font size I feel comfortable with.
BeetleB44 minutes ago
As someone who actually started reading more with bigger screen sizes[1], this article is really not jiving with me and is light on details. I still don't understand why I'd prefer this to a Kobo. Other than the size, what is the benefit?

[1] I read more with a 7" than a 6" and even more with an 8".

embedding-shape42 minutes ago
The size is pretty much the selling point compared to other e-readers. The screen quality isn't great, it doesn't have more features than the rest or anything else, but it's tiny and I can lie down on my back holding my arm up in the air for longer than with my phone, so reading at the beach is comfortable for example. If you like bigger devices, you won't like any of the Xteink devices I think.
x1ph0z41 minutes ago
Then the device is not for you. I have this and it’s amazing for me. Being able to pocket this and whip it out during moments I would’ve doom scrolled has been great for my reading.
joshkojorasabout 1 hour ago
I recently got an X3 (on a sale £58 with shipping) after deciding between X4 and X3 for a long time and I think I made the right decision. I fits perfectly in my wallet and I don't think about it.

Carrying my regular 6" ereader around feels like I'm taking something with me, it feels like extra weight. I have to either carry it in my hand which is inconvenient or take a rucksack with me when I go for a walk. X3 is so small that it doesn't feel like I'm carrying anything, but it's always there. So when I go for a long walk and decide to take a short break I take it out and read for 10-20min. Same on my commute, I replaced reading the news on my phone with reading for 25-30min on the train.

First think I did was flash Crosspoint on it, because it's lightweight and preserves the battery much like original OS. Battery feels great, I love that it's not touchscreen. Buttons take getting used to, but overall I'm impressed!

NoboruWatayaabout 2 hours ago
I had only heard about these things on HN, and thought they were primarily popular as a toy for people to hack on. I didn't realise they are so popular amongst "normies".

I have no current need for one as I am happy with my cheap second hand Kobo but it's great that they exist, especially with the open source alternative firmware. Hopefully they don't clamp down on that in future.

haunterabout 1 hour ago
$70 in the US, 90€ ($105) in Europe :3 https://www.xteink.com/products/xteink-x3

I guess West Coast shipping from China is much cheaper

embedding-shapeabout 1 hour ago
Hmm, at the end of July I bought a X4 Pro from them for 88.95 EUR (shipping to Spain included), seems they've raised prices since then? Lucky me I suppose.
myrmidonabout 1 hour ago
There is no way shipping alone explains the difference.

I would suspect the majority comes from higher (VAT) tax level; possibly also some indirect overhead because Europe is a more segmented market, and needs a bunch of localization at the very least.

ac29about 1 hour ago
US prices dont include taxes, EU prices do
graemep41 minutes ago
£70 ($94) in the UK so is US prices exclude sales taxes $14 is VAT, what about the other $10?

GP says its $105 in the EU. I do not think VAT is high enough to explain that anywhere in the EU?

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_0xddabout 2 hours ago
I really didn't think I would, but I really enjoy using my X4. The only thing I wish it had was a backlight. It seems Xteink is hellbent on including pogo connectors on all their other models, and that the original X4 with USB-C was an unfortunate outlier in this regard.
alturpabout 1 hour ago
I actually really like not having backlight, forcing me to use non-directional yellow light during the night reading sessions. I wish all electronic screen were like that.
embedding-shapeabout 1 hour ago
The backlight of the X4 Pro have configurable "warmth" of the backlight, works pretty good even in completely dark rooms and much better than the eye-train you get from traditional screens.
nkurzabout 3 hours ago
roger_15 minutes ago
Surprised I never heard of this!

Looking to pick one up, any recommendations on X4 Pro vs Classic?

hexmiles8 minutes ago
The Pro has a nice backlight that is useful when reading at night. The only downside is the lack of a USB-C port, so you have to use their magnetic dongle to charge. Also, if you want one, I recommend buying from the official site to avoid getting one with the firmware locked (there may be a way to unlock it, but I'm not sure). Lastly, look at the competition: I'm happy with my X4 Pro, but there are a couple of others with different feature sets that are still compatible with Crosspoint and may be of interest if you want to use it for more than just reading.
relativeadv25 minutes ago
for me, the killer feature of the little xteink readers is _no touchscreen_. This is important because you can hold the device as you would a paper book, thumb on the page itself without accidentally turning the page or triggering some menu system.
55555about 2 hours ago
I have one and am very happy with it. I vibe coded a bilingual ebook reader, which is what I bought it for. However a Kindle is a way better deal and is much better as far as screen quality etc. But I like how small my XTEINK X4 Pro is.
addandsubtractabout 1 hour ago
I would be interested in a bilingual ebook reader. Do you have a repo for the project?
HexDecOctBinabout 1 hour ago
Mine's screen cracked in a month. Didn't drop it or mishandled it. Be aware that is it much more fragile that a Kindle.
embedding-shape40 minutes ago
Maybe that's why they include some sort of screen protector with the device? At least they did with the X4 Pro, did you get that with the X3 as well, and were you using it while it cracked if so?

I've been having mine in a beach bag I'm not too careful with, for about two months, which goes out with me when I swim in the sea, without using the included screen protector, and still no scratches or cracks in mine.

palacheabout 1 hour ago
Mine cracked the other day as well in my pocket! Fairly surprised and sad as now I have to finish those books on my smartphone
fookerabout 2 hours ago
I got one and it is a neat fun device.

And it's pretty hackable, with an open firmware, bunch of community involvement in developing third party alternatives for the default software.

I have even vibecoded random software to run on it.

hexmilesabout 2 hours ago
The fact that you can use it one-handed is the killer feature for me, both for reading and as a generic dashboard/remote control for stuff in my home.
puzzlingcaptchaabout 1 hour ago
It's great on public transport too.
thunderbongabout 2 hours ago
catchnear4321about 2 hours ago
After the x4 was marketed as having MagSafe that would work with a phone, while the magnet doesn’t align with MagSafe.

Neat little esp32 eReader with the standard bs around the company.

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KeplerBoyabout 2 hours ago
"In a sense, it is that. Xteink sounds less like a real brand name than the kind of garbled text you’ll find in AI-slop memes."

I think it's a great name. To me it reads like "extend e-ink", crazy how perception can be so different.

kulorabout 2 hours ago
I read it as a play on extinct & ink
Ekarosabout 2 hours ago
XT eink. For whatever XT has ever stand for with computers. XT has been around for ages with various meanings. So it is rather tech letters for me.
TMWNNabout 2 hours ago
I'm tempted, despite being wedded to Kindle. I can search for and borrow a library bok on Libby in 30 seconds, then have it automagically appear on my Kindle; I doubt the experience is so seamless with Crosspoint, and of course the progress won't sync. But otherwise, an e-ink screen on the back of my phone is something I have always wanted. Hey Amazon, how about a Kindle counterpart to this?
jacekabout 2 hours ago
- Libby on Xteink: https://www.theverge.com/tech/976390/xteink-x3-x4-x4-pro-e-r...

- There's KOReader sync in Crosspoint

But the biggest issue with Kindle is the vendor lock-in and the books don't even belong to you. There were many cases of Amazon deleting books with no refunds. That's why I am not getting any Kindle ever again.

akhoabout 1 hour ago
I've owned several Kindles, and haven't bought a single ebook from Amazon.
expedition32about 1 hour ago
My public library books are DRMed with Adobe and officially you're supposed to read them on your phone lol. But it is easy to convert them.
samizdisabout 2 hours ago
Going back a decade or so, I bought a Yotaphone 2, which had a full-sized e-ink display on the rear. Fantastic for any text reading/writing in bright sunlight (I was based in Sydney at the time). Yotaphone is now dead, but I really don't understand why the idea hasn't been taken up by other makers.

Review (overly lengthy) from 2014: https://www.expertreviews.co.uk/technology/phones/yotaphone-...

Cthulhu_about 2 hours ago
> but I really don't understand why the idea hasn't been taken up by other makers.

Same, but now that it quickly looks like smartphone-sized e-ink readers are the 2026 hardware trend, I can see them making a comeback now. Or as an "outside" screen on foldable phones.

wahnfriedenabout 2 hours ago
The X3 seems nicest as it’s smallest and a good deal lighter.
nakedrobot2about 1 hour ago
but no usb-c port? Nooooooooooo!

NOBODY asked for a proprietary pogo pin usb cable. shame on you!!!!

stigi9 minutes ago
I charge mine every 3-4 months... (almost never). Was expecting this to be a problem for me, but it turned out I do not care.
justnoiceabout 2 hours ago
The CEO of this brand once portrayed himself as a first-time entrepreneur, launching a small batch of products at extremely low prices, then raising prices and quickly rolling out new models. But earlier this year, one of his competitors publicly presented a series of allegations that were subsequently substantiated, including that he had actually been involved in multiple previous ventures with a highly questionable track record, and that some of the products' key specifications had been seriously misrepresented. The company later apologized for the inaccurate specifications, claiming that the misinformation was unintentional. However, it offered neither a recall nor any meaningful compensation to affected customers. Soon afterward, the brand launched yet another new product, only for customers to discover after receiving it that the promotional images were also misleading. At the end of the day, this brand's business model seems to be little more than assembling cheap off-the-shelf components and using aggressive social media marketing to convince people that they need its products.
embedding-shapeabout 1 hour ago
Care to link these allegations and substantiated proof/evidence? Not that I don't believe you, but would be nice to read the original source of this, even if it happens to be in another language than English.
justnoice32 minutes ago
You need to search for "阅星瞳" on RedNote, which is their official Chinese name, and look at the official statement they posted on April 25 this year. In that statement, they had listed the device's RAM as 128 MB, while the actual usable RAM was only around 400 KB.

You can also find plenty of other discussions about the CEO himself and the company's products by searching on RedNote. In fact, RedNote users make up a major part of the brand's customer base in China.

embedding-shape20 minutes ago
Is it fair to say that your previous comment was based mostly on various individual comments made by individuals on RedNote, rather than some published article from journalists, or investigation, or similar?
shinycodeabout 2 hours ago
X4 pro launched in July and I could buy it for 89€ now it costs 119€. And I bought the x3 in June for 50€ now it’s 89€.

So yeah that’s the strategy

hasperdiabout 1 hour ago
I suggest buying M5Stack PaperMono instead. It's an esp32 board with an eink screen and a battery. I bet someone will make an open source firmware for it
embedding-shapeabout 1 hour ago
> M5Stack PaperMono

Is that actually a product intended for consumers though? Looks more like a development board than a product for "normies", like the Xteink stuff.

phoronixrlyabout 1 hour ago
> including that he had actually been involved in multiple previous ventures with a highly questionable track record

Considering Kindle's Bezos who's had a pristine track record?

jacknewsabout 2 hours ago
So who is the original manufacturer of these readers?
boxedabout 2 hours ago
Ok... but.. are there other companies with comparable consumer level products? If so, can you name some?
ZeroGravitasabout 2 hours ago
The crosspoint software lists a few different manufacturers devices:

https://crosspointreader.com/devices

boxedabout 2 hours ago
40% of which are the company the poster complained about :P
jacekabout 2 hours ago
Onyx Boox will be releasing one soon ("Picco" AFAIR?). But they break GPL.
postepowanieadmabout 2 hours ago
I own Palm and software is a mess.
boxedabout 2 hours ago
Soon? Come now.
wahnfriedenabout 2 hours ago
And no Android
scorxnabout 1 hour ago
My cynical take: these cute little things still end up in landfills, and my 5+ year old phone runs the kindle app just fine.