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Moon_Y4 minutes ago
Allowing several leading laboratories to formulate their own rules under the protection of anti-monopoly exemptions essentially means outsourcing the formulation of public policies to the stakeholders. The direction of independent review is correct, but the review standards, enforcement authority, and participation qualifications must undergo public debate, rather than being determined behind closed doors by a few companies.
jeffreygoestoabout 1 hour ago
The article revolves a lot around the "how" and "why" but does not really answer it's own title. We thought we have the answer right there: in democracies, the people delegates working out the rules to a group of elected people. The rules then are enforced by another, independent group of people. Currently this seems to be broken in (not only) the USA.
ozgungabout 1 hour ago
The answer is: historically the incumbents define the rules and use safety as an excuse to build their moats by gaining exclusive rights and they end up being cartel/monopolies.

It’s a rhetorical question.

slopinthebagabout 1 hour ago
this has always been broken
kreyenborgi35 minutes ago
Broken is a spectrum, not binary.

(Some years ago, people argued that "it's already broken so voting in the crazy guy who wants to shake things up will flip the switch from broken to non-broken". But they were wrong.)

Stitch422334 minutes ago
Most laws, if not all, for new technologies such as the internet and AI already exist.

For example: thievery, extortion, murder, etc. are already well-established crimes.

Putting "cyber" or "AI" in front of them makes it the same crime.

I'm really interested in what is actually new about these rules.

throwworhtthrowabout 2 hours ago
I believe this is a reaction to Dario Amodei's essay yesterday, "We Must Pace the Frontier": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49672510

Cohere's disagreement seems mostly about who makes the rules. From the essay (which does seem significantly written by AI, sadly):

> The rules around AI are getting written either way. What's still open is whether they get written by a group anyone can join and with evidence anyone can check, or by a handful of companies in a room with the door shut.

Of course none of the AI companies will suggest that they should be accountable for the illegal actions taken by agents they host, but I feel like that could be a very effective "pacing mechanism", and addresses the concerns brought up by this essay about fairness and transparency.

ElProlactinabout 1 hour ago
> Of course none of the AI companies will suggest that they should be accountable for the illegal actions taken by agents they host, but I feel like that could be a very effective "pacing mechanism"...

The problem is that the potential liabilities arguably vastly exceed what these companies can absorb. It would be interesting to see if any major insurer wanted to step up and insure them.

On the plus side, in the worst case scenarios, we won't have to worry about damages because nobody will be left to pursue them.

watwut29 minutes ago
The way they operate? No sane insurer. But the whole point is changing their behavior.

> The problem is that the potential liabilities arguably vastly exceed what these companies can absorb

It is ok. Fines should not be just a cost of business.

injidup37 minutes ago
If you want a seat at the table then your AI must prove itself capable of winning some competition against the incumbents. How about a nice game of chess?
moktonarabout 2 hours ago
Shouldn’t this be a democratic process?
zoobababout 1 hour ago
Democracy does not exist.

And there is no need for rules, this doomerism probability is not based on science.

ks204811 minutes ago
Counter argument: Democracy does exist. (it's just a fuzzy concept like most words we use).
xg15about 1 hour ago
Are we full-on Peter Thiel "democracy and freedom are incompatible" yet?
krigeabout 1 hour ago
Atlas may start shrugging any minute now!
watwut28 minutes ago
He is right. Democracy is not compatible with unlimited freedom for him. There are laws.

The differencd is that I see Thiels freedom limited a little as a good thing.

rnd0about 1 hour ago
The people with money, obviously.
light_hue_1about 1 hour ago
There will be many scientists, myself included, that would band together to break the cartel if it forms. It's just a matter of money. It is absurd.

Any logic shows that this is really about their valuations and being tired of innovating instead of having any safety concerns. What would happen if the US did this? Chinese and EU labs would eventually win. And then either the US becomes a backwater or they have to eventually spend the money to keep up anyway. But in the meantime they will have bought themselves a few years at insane valuations.

Also, look at the stark choice they want to offer "we'll kill everyone or you give us the power to do whatever we want with the most important tech around". That's it. If we aren't in an oligarchy now, we will be if this goes through. They're going to end up stealing trillions of dollars from the rest of society.

skew-aberrationabout 1 hour ago
RSI scenario is not scientist-limited though. So, you'd better get cracking if you want to catch up before it's impossible. Will first need to raise some serious capital too...
senectus135 minutes ago
good luck having those rules audited reliably.