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outloudviabout 2 hours ago
Lucabout 2 hours ago
lucasoshiro31 minutes ago
Thanks. I'm upvoting that instead
philboabout 1 hour ago
Tangential, mildly amusing thing I noticed while implementing my own harness: GLM and particularly Deepseek are both fond of trying to read dotfiles and anything listed in your .gitignore files. I only noticed it because I have separate read scopes for project files, ignored files, dotfiles and external files, so the latter three always prompt me for approval.

I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for it, which has nothing at all to do with exfiltration of secrets, but it does amuse me when it happens. I imagine the labs have access to lots of secrets that various actors would like to get their hands on...

(shameless plug for my own harness, which is open source and doesn't have a backend to send any data to: https://www.opairdev.org/ )

alightsoul44 minutes ago
Grok does or did the same thing, this is embarrasing
weiran5 minutes ago
I've been using ZCode since it's initial release and can't find any of this in my data. There aren't any logs showing capture or upload, and I don't even have a ~/.zcode/v2/checkpoints/ directory.

So unless they've cleared it all with a recent update then it doesn't seem to affect everyone.

Aldipowerabout 2 hours ago
That the article cannot distinguish between the git history 'git log' and the git repository, which is meant here, tells a lot.

Claude Fable uploads my git history (git log) every day to the Anthropic servers!

vikramkr9 minutes ago
It's funny because the author of the article is obviously Claude but most Claude models would definitely know the difference. Some sort of free tier model being used to summarize some other blog that's also ai translated originally it seems.
bbor43 minutes ago
This is bad-faith AI slop rephrasing the original article, but regardless: the extent of the issue is far, far, far beyond the metadata you're discussing. No one has 300MB of commit messages.
peri-cl18 minutes ago
> "No one has 300MB of commit messages."

Maybe Yegge does.

v3ss0n44 minutes ago
Never use a Harness if it is not opensourced.

DeepSeek Harness is my favorite for coding. Hermes is my favourite for Other things , followed by OpenCode (sucks at managing long running services) .

Others swear by Pi.dev

drdexebtjl20 minutes ago
Z.ai are temporarily offering unlimited usage during off-peak hours with their harness, which is a pretty good deal if your project is public even with this news.
oathvz10 minutes ago
All fun and game until it also silently uploads your other things.
tancopabout 2 hours ago
Closed source agents are a red flag no matter if its China or America. Always use an open harness with a good reputation and enough users that someone will notice if they push malicious code like this one here. Right now that's Opencode and Pi.
hypferabout 2 hours ago
I wouldn't list Opencode as "good reputation".

They had their own unbound "harness scans the whole user directory" oopsie and handled concerns about that by introducing code signing.

Which, yes, does have absolutely nothing to do with that issue.

I guess by now it is better, but to me they seem to lack the engineering culture necessary for a "good reputation" stamp.

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Ref: https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/14925#issuecomm...

among other issues.

gwerbinabout 2 hours ago
How about the one where if you start a session outside of a Git repository, the "worktree root" is set to /. Bug report closed as "not planned".
hypferabout 2 hours ago
FWIW, I don't think that they're being malicious. They instead just seem to have no idea nor do they care.

And the original comment I've replied to proves this strategy right! So from a business standpoint: excellent work.

edude03about 2 hours ago
Their reputation is “bad” but not because of privacy concerns. I personally think they’re trustworthy
my-huge-pony34 minutes ago
We use opencode with self hosted llm for privacy reasons. Good, right? Well, no, because opencode by default uses a "free" cloud model to summarize all chats even if a different model was configured as the main one.

I wonder how many opencode users upload their private secrets to the cloud, while thinking they're using a self hosted model.

Btw. I don't think this is malicious, just sloppy.

blfrabout 2 hours ago
Why?
mikkelamabout 1 hour ago
codex is also open source, though im not so sure about the reputation aspect.

The same can be said about opencode though.

mococaabout 2 hours ago
That’s explains the 300 million of tokens on the weekend only if you use their tool.
alightsoul43 minutes ago
This sounds a lot like the same thing Openai did with navier stokes, but Openai is more stealthy about it.
hn1rig3rak39 minutes ago
Built a similar read-scope gate and the fiddly bit was symlinks escaping the project root.
lohabout 2 hours ago
I recently began playing around with ZCode. Works pretty well. Super sketchy though if it is in fact silently uploading full git history of every user's projects. This is why we need not only open weight models, but open source harnesses as well. Luckily the project I'm trying ZCode on is already open source (Molecule.dev), and I'm already allowing full telemetry with my other agents/harnesses (e.g., Claude) for this particular project, so it's not a huge deal in my case, but it's obviously a huge deal for anything proprietary.
apiabout 2 hours ago
Lots of modern software plays it loose with privacy, but this IMO crossing a second line: doing so with zero notification whatsoever, in a massively intrusive way, against data that is almost certainly private and possibly illegal to exfiltrate, with no obvious way to turn it off.

That crosses into outright malware.

Makes me not want to use GLM or other Z.ai models either, since who knows what interesting easter eggs are embedded in their training data.

You know... (puts on foil hat)... I did notice that Z is also the weird Russian logo for their invasion of Ukraine and Russia and China have cooperated to some degree (or at least China is helping Russia in exchange for access to resources). I dismissed this when I first thought of it, but I will now leave it here. Still probably coincidence but my Bayesian priors were just updated in its direction very slightly.

peri-cl15 minutes ago
> "against data that is almost certainly private and possibly illegal to exfiltrate"

I didn't fully understand the article, but I gathered this only impacts project directories managed by Z.ai's coding agent? I.e., projects you're already choosing to upload to them (partially), which thus cannot be private.

I'm not excusing this malware; just trying to find clarity about its scope.

menaerusabout 1 hour ago
How do you know this is not true with other vendors? I'm not defending them but I wouldn't believe anyone in this business unconditionally. Anthropic agent fwiw is not open source, gemini and codex are.
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theplumberabout 2 hours ago
Ohhh no another one found that agents don’t actually run locally. We already had the “grok uploads all my stuff to Google cloud bucket” news…

next I can’t wait to see news about “ai company is using my data without my consent” as well.

ThouYS7 minutes ago
wait, the thing that streams my code into the cloud, and that I let run basically arbitrary commands on my machine... uploads my code into the cloud?! I didn't sign up for this!
dude250711about 2 hours ago
Is this a step forward compared to previous distillations or a step backwards?