US Treasuries Have Become Unappetizing for Foreign Central Banks and Governments

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1over137•about 2 hours ago

US everything has become unappetizing for everyone outside the US.

gradus_ad•7 minutes ago

There must always be a hegemon. Will it be Europe? No, too weak and divided..will it be China? No, too authoritarian..

The US remains the best option among a mixed field of weak, corrupt, divided and authoritarian alternatives.

JumpCrisscross•4 minutes ago

We’re seeing a return to multilateral hegemony. Russia, China, India, a new Persia, Israel and Turkey during it out in Asia. The edges of those conflicts trying to bring war back to Europe. And America getting potentially balanced by China and Europe in the Americas, with the Pacific theatre figuring out its own balancing game plan.

rpdillon•about 1 hour ago

And many of us inside the US as well, tbf.

glimshe•27 minutes ago

What bond or stock market would you suggest instead?

I thought so.

rconti•10 minutes ago

No single alternative has to be better in all cases. Any diversification will end up reducing demand for treasuries.

It's not a black and white issue.

carefree-bob•about 1 hour ago

This is nonsense. The rest of the world holds 9.7 Trillion in Treasuries and this amount increased by $500 billion over the last year.

So the opposite of this article is true. You can get all the data from the Z.1 release.

Please don't take these types of flame bait articles seriously or try to spin up an entire world view based on them as you will end up not only directionally wrong, but believe in the exact opposite of reality.

FYI, that $500B increase in treasury holdings is not the whole picture, there are also the agencies (housing mortage backed securities guaranteed by the govt) and foreign holdings of those also increased by $70 billion over the last year, and are about 1.5 Trillion.

bryanlarsen•18 minutes ago

You are using the wrong metric. The supply of t-bills is increasing rapidly because of the massive deficit. That is sufficient to explain the increased number of holdings.

The correct metric is price. If there is decreased demand, it will show up in the yield. And it does.

boricj•5 minutes ago

It's not just about treasure bonds. The mood is shifting in Europe that, maybe, putting all the eggs in the USA basket is perhaps not that great of an idea.

It's the vindication of Gaullism half a century after De Gaulle's death, the concept of strategic autonomy is getting traction in the rest of Europe. It's not that we can't be friends, but that we shouldn't let our future be gambled in the hands of Wisconsin voters every two years.

slg•about 1 hour ago

Sure, the engines may have died, but not only is the plane still airborne, it's even accelerating!

verdverm•35 minutes ago

gravity... is working against me... dream of ways... to throw it all away...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VBex8zbDRs

samudrijan•34 minutes ago

View looks great from up here. Any peanuts?

bflesch•about 1 hour ago

Institutional investors are very slow to adapt, so I wouldn't take their continued investment as a positive signal. The sentiment shift is real, and a lot of goodwill has been spent.

It's basically divide and conquer on a national scale tearing down the democratic world police and the democratic systems it supported.

carefree-bob•36 minutes ago

The point is that the entire article is wrong, factually.

In terms of institutional investors and sentiment, I think you are fundamentally not understanding why the rest of the world holds US debt, it is to support running trade surpluses. That is a core economic need of much of the world, and as long as there is that need, you will see foreign government accumulation of dollar denominated assets.

For some reason people either refuse to understand simple balance of payment accounting constraints or they are deeply offended by them, and want to live in a world in which moral outrage determines things like global capital flows.

But we do not live in that world. The reason why the rest of the world accumulated a trillion of dollar denominated assets last year, split roughly 50/50 between private and public, is solely because China needed to run a trillion dollar trade surplus. And next year it will also need to run an even bigger surplus. That forces everything else.

quickthrowman•17 minutes ago

There are an excess of dollars floating around internationally and only so many ‘risk free’ dollar-denominated assets. US Treasuries will continue to be purchased. There are plenty of buyers who are obligated to buy risk-free assets and US Treasuries are the vehicle of choice.

toomuchtodo•about 1 hour ago

Exorbitant privilege is a gift that lasts only as long as the trust does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorbitant_privilege

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47635834 covers this succinctly:

> America was in practice running an empire that collected tribute from the rest of planet earth in exchange for entries in a database denominated in a currency they controlled and that was accepted everywhere. Really the only way it could go wrong is putting it under the control of someone who doesn't understand the kayfabe...

from

Gold overtakes U.S. Treasuries as the largest foreign reserve asset - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47635056 - April 2026 (250 comments)

rayiner•about 1 hour ago

This argument fundamentally does not make sense. Look at a chart of U.S. GDP per capita growth: https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zSCw!,f_auto,q_auto:...

The U.S. was growing at the same rate or faster as the UK from 1830 to 1930, when the UK had an empire and the U.S. didn’t. Then, in the second half of the 20th century when the U.S. had an empire and the UK didn’t, the growth rates were more or less the same in both places in the long run trend (ignoring the UK’s step change hit from WWII).

dixie_land•43 minutes ago

The £ was backed by UK's (perceived) military might just as $ is by the States'.

The the war on Iran (and many years of war on terror) showed we have anything but

isodev•43 minutes ago

Imagine, even Apple is moving itself to the shitlist.

thehumanmeat•14 minutes ago

The article couldn't be less true. Treasuries are the deepest and most liquid market by far. Foreign CBs hold them so that they can liquidate them when it becomes hard to find dollars. Why else do foreign CBs want to constantly open up swap lines to us when they are hurting?

kelnos•about 1 hour ago

Looking at the graphs in the article, I don't think the overall picture supports the headline...

thechao•about 1 hour ago

Yeah. The headline is utterly divorced from the reality of the charts?

iamnothere•about 1 hour ago

How so? Foreign official holdings are flat since 2012.

The headline specifically refers to central bank and government holdings.

jandrewrogers•29 minutes ago

I think the more interesting story is the long-term decline in the quality of virtually all sovereign debt. Many things are anchored to the assumption that high-quality sovereign debt is widely available.

csomar•about 1 hour ago

The issue (real issue?) is that it’s unclear whether these governments reduced their holdings or switched them to these opaque structures (tether can be considered one). The idea is, it would be hard for the US to untangle true ownership. I wonder if UBO was getting undone blue or red because it’s a real threat for such a system but the US needs this “second” lifeline.

sidewndr46•about 1 hour ago

Are their sovereign states dumb enough to invest in Tether?

general_reveal•32 minutes ago

We’re headed for war.

They are bracing us for Taiwan situation where a standoff will probably lead to China making an aggressive financial move.

Cheers :)

paulsutter•about 1 hour ago

I was dismissive when I saw the title, but they have real statistics: foreign holdings are at 2012 levels while total treasuries outstanding are 3x larger.

carefree-bob•41 minutes ago

Holdings have increased by $500 billion over the last year. Why cherry pick 2012? Because that was in the aftermath of QE from the great recession and foreign holdings of treasuries were enormous as they rotated out of US private debt and sought the safety of treasuries. Today it is risk on, relatively speaking.

These go up and down based on cash management needs and portfolio allocation choices between public and private debt, and so you can pick one year when cash management needs were high or appetite for riskier were low. And then count on people being dupes, LOL.

NewJazz•34 minutes ago

The trouble is the US never paid down the debt for those years, they just rolled it over and incurred new debt. If foreign holdings decrease further, it doesn't matter if it is simply for cash management reasons -- the US will be rolling over historic debt at historic interest rates.

carefree-bob•20 minutes ago

By paying down the debt, you mean issuing less debt over time? The US government is not an uncle that pays off his debt so he can retire and move to Florida. An individual does that, but the household sector as a whole does not pay down debt, because for every uncle moving to Florida, there is an Aunt borrowing for a new house. So instead, we talk about things like sectoral debt ratios and do not use language like "when will people in Maine finally pay down debt, I'm sick of seeing people in Maine owing debt".

The government is a sector of the economy. You can argue that we are borrowing too much, and I would agree, but you are not gonna fix that until you address the foreign capital inflows. That means rolling back the investor rights agreements. As long as foreign nations can print money and use it to buy dollars in order to stimulate their exports, the US is going to have a problem with excessive debt loads. The flipside of that is that the US will not have a problem of foreign investors decreasing their holdings. It will increase every single year, in line with foreign export demands. If anyone tells you the opposite, just look for the error or the lie, because I guarantee you there is one. This article has both.

freefolks•about 1 hour ago

treasuries are the same as cash. All that means is there is still too much USD Money supply from QE and rates will continue to go higher to reduce the supply.

llmslave•about 1 hour ago

US policy:

1. print money

2. suppress wages by shipping in cheap labor

3. reassure the population you arent doing the above

tastyfreeze•about 1 hour ago

Step 3 is profit. As in, "we are robbing you blind but that's not my hand in your pocket".

llmslave•about 1 hour ago

unreal that they are still doing it too

feverzsj•42 minutes ago

Thanks, Trump.

reenorap•about 1 hour ago

Yes, that's called Quantitative Easing after the Global Financial Crisis. The peak in the graph was 2008 after which the US issues a shit ton of debt which was bought by the Fed. China used to be the biggest holder of US Treasuries but now it's the Federal Reserve and Japan.

But the idea that you look at that graph as say it's "unappetizing" is dumb. Most foreign governments besides China have INCREASED their UST holdings. The only reason why the % is dropping is because of the massive amount bought by the Fed which messed up the %.

reenorap•about 1 hour ago

Every graph of foreign ownership is up and to the left over the last 10 years

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/foreign-treasury-...

Only China has gone down:

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/foreign-treasury-...

I stand corrected about Japan it looks like they've been flat over the last 10+ YEARS

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/foreign-treasury-...

Basically the article linked above is dumb, and they either are stupid and don't understand what they're talking about or trying to cast a false narrative

carefree-bob•about 1 hour ago

China also has not gone down, they are merely shifting their ownership structures. China accumulated over a trillion in dollar denominated assets last year, but rumors are the big players have been Chinese regional banks. It's a byzantine mess of hidden ownership structures over there.

iamnothere•39 minutes ago

If true, this would change the narrative. But I wouldn’t base anything on rumors. China is also rapidly building its supply of bullion and is attempting to shift trade away from the USD, so it would make sense for it to be drawing down on USD reserves. (Not that it will ever eliminate those reserves completely.)

method_capital•about 1 hour ago

Yeah ... and exactly how many of our treasury auctions have failed? Zero. Overbid by foreign parties, all of them.

reenorap•about 1 hour ago

Exactly. Same as when Bessent wanted to buy 6B in long bonds but only bought 5.XB, people said that it failed but anyone who understands knows that it's the opposite. The oversubscription rate is normally 3X or more but this time it was 2X which means that people would rather keep their long bonds, which shows confidence in them.

lvl256•about 1 hour ago

I think RoW is trying to send a message to certain US constituents.

Edit: so much hate for something so benign.

pnut•about 1 hour ago

Please don't make us decode your acronym https://www.acronymfinder.com/ROW.html

techdmn•29 minutes ago

I've been hesitant to talk about this too much, because it's such a bad joke, but personally I'm waging a War On Acronyms (WOA). They really don't save much time or effort, but make communication much more opaque. They can be a way of in-group signaling, which just makes it harder for newcomers / outsiders to come up to speed. And so many collisions.

apercu•about 1 hour ago

RoW = Rest of World?

If so, those constituencies are immune to facts and common sense.