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ajjenkinsabout 1 hour ago
A lot of people in the comments say that the supposedly better examples in the article are still “horrible” because they can tell they’re AI and point to things that the AI did “wrong” and a human artist would do better.

That may be true if you’re working with a top of the line artist, but in my experience the average freelance designer online is significantly worse than AI. I’ve worked with dozens of budget friendly designers on Fiverr and consistently get way worse results than I’ve gotten from AI models. Will a great human designer produce better output than an AI? Maybe, but a small local event or business probably won’t have the budget to hire them or know where to find them. It’s cheaper, faster and easier to use AI to generate something that’s good enough for their purposes.

People also point out all the little flaws in the “good” examples and cite them as obvious tells that they were AI generated. I think it would be interesting to see if people could reliably distinguish between AI generated flyers and human made flyers. Sure, sometimes it’s obvious like when the AI adds those weird, cartoony people. But if the model is told not to create designs like that and stick to the styles used in the second half of the article, I expect people would have a much harder time distinguishing the human designs from the AI designs.

eloisant21 minutes ago
The biggest problem that I have with most AI posters is that they are too busy, you have to look for information instead of seeing it popping right away.

Amateurs posters of before AI didn't have this problem. White background, the important info in big letters, maybe one clipart or to. So I'm not talking about how pro artists could make a better job, but even the small local non-profit used to produce better posters. Not in the sense of "better looking", but in the sense that they were more readable.

At least the examples of this blog are more readable than what we usually see.

alerighi33 minutes ago
To me if you ask to a 10 years old kid and give him a PC with Microsoft Paint on it it will you will have a much better result than any AI-generated option in the post. If there are graphics designer that produce a worse result of what AI creates, it's because they probably use AI as well.

The problem of AI generated stuff (we see the problem of manifests, but I'm a software engineer and with computer programs it's exactly the same thing) is that they immediately look non-human, and our brain trained itself to detect, and thus get irritated by, AI generated content.

It looks fake, it hurts to see, it seems fine at first glance fine but it's not, everyone seems identical because the AI is not, despite of the name, creative, it just a hyper complex copy/paste machine, and obviously the result just looks copy/paste as well.

goatherders10 minutes ago
Sure but why?

Outside of a small joy of the organizing committee, is an incrementally "better" (which is almost entirely subjective anyway) worth the trouvle?

otabdeveloper47 minutes ago
AI irritates people. This is fine if you're making political cartoons or racist memes, but not so fine for ad copy.
berkes38 minutes ago
The blog also mentions, several times, that it wasn't the goal to be indistinguishable.

I think it's actually a feature when people can recognize it as AI.

Why would someone want it to be unrecognizable as AI? What is the reason people want to hide AI usage ? (other than when "cheating" in studies or examns or such, obv)

eloisant18 minutes ago
Because there is a big anti-AI movement and some people will think you're destroying the planet and putting people out of a job if you make one prompt to a chatbot.
Avicebron13 minutes ago
Maybe if there were fewer people foaming at the mouth to enrich themselves while destroying the planet, and putting people out of work, there would be less pushback.
afavour28 minutes ago
> Why would someone want it to be unrecognizable as AI? What is the reason people want to hide it

Because a lot of “everyday” folks really strongly dislike AI. I’ve lost count of the number of AI generated Instagram ads I’ve seen where the comments are filled with “AI slop!”.

It’s not a positive signal for anyone who wants to persuade someone of the value of whatever they’re advertising because it’s associated with being cheap and lazy.

exitb37 minutes ago
The alternatives are not horrible, but look like I’m being lured to a Spring Fair by an alien. It makes no sense to associate with Japanese imagery or 90s computer graphics for an event that has nothing to with these topics. Design is a language and these speak gibberish.
mattmanser34 minutes ago
They asked the AI for a list of different styles.

The author then picked them out, not the AI. For curiosity I assume.

ha-shineabout 1 hour ago
This is my experience as well. I run a bootstrapped business, so we don't have a ton of backing. We can't afford the top design firms, and Fable can do better than those within our budget. So it's not that we prefer AI over human designers; we just don't have the money!
bossyTeacher14 minutes ago
> we just don't have the money!

You don't have ANY money? Plenty of students would do a great job for a little money and a professional reference. Now you just helped the workforce, helped the local economy and cost you little.

sevenzeroabout 1 hour ago
Creativity does not have to be expensive to be good. Yall just dont want to bother dealing with it.
dreambigwrkhard23 minutes ago
I was the person who "had to bother dealing with it" many years ago before we had AI, Canva, or even Adobe cloud.

I volunteered and designed a good amount of posters for student organizations.

Don't enjoy it but did it to help my peers and friends out.

I find it ironic that back then we had a lot of trouble finding people who were willing to design posters and promo media on print.

Now the comment section on this post has people mourning AI taking over poster making in 2026. Where was the help back then?

From the perspective of someone who had to burn the midnight oil to do it for years, trust me, I would rather not do it and spend that time with my family and friends. And judging from how hard it was to find others who were willing to do it, I think its a reasonable argument that most people were not actually willing to do the work either.

So mourn away but I wouldn't cry if I "missed out" on making posters. If we had AI back then, I would not take on any of those poster making requests.

masfuerte29 minutes ago
This is like anything. If you want good and inexpensive it's going to be a pain in your arse one way or another.
sammularczykabout 1 hour ago
Exactly. Sad to see another industry getting decimated by AI just to save a bit of cash.
opem40 minutes ago
These people just doesn't have a good taste, imo.
spinach42 minutes ago
This technology is super new and I've only seen AI posters really proliferate in the past few months and suddenly... people don't know how to live without it?
michaelbuckbeeabout 1 hour ago
To me, they look very much like Canva style designs. Some pre-existing design template that someone took and then smooshed their own dates and information into.
nasseri41 minutes ago
Yea these look bad you don't need to be a pro designer to see that.
sevenzeroabout 1 hour ago
>Maybe, but a small local event or business probably won’t have the budget to hire them or know where to find them.

This is funny to read given I am currently on a Japan trip with 3 friends and we actively avoid every small restaurant that have AI generated images of their food. Using AI generated bullshit just shows that you really dont want to put in the work to produce something actually charming. Hell, we've seen a food menu drawn by a toddler and it was infinitely more sympathetic than all the AI generated Wagyu images.

netsharc6 minutes ago
I was in Japan in Spring, I didn't notice any AI-generated ads/menus (not implying you're lying, just curious if it's become a trend since then, or if it's a particular area).

But I recall this simple looking promotion: https://imgur.com/a/fbM8Akb . The photo looks professionally done, and not AI. Then again, maybe they googled for "cheesecake photo".

I just image searched for "cheesecake", I didn't find this photo in the results, but there are a few results where I now have to wonder "Is that AI?"

Kim_Bruning37 minutes ago
That'll be a real debate at the moment in Japan, I'll bet. Because the law is pretty strict when it comes to accurate advertising.
vova_hn2about 2 hours ago
I find it kinda funny that even "smartest", most capable models often have a very hard time going beyond surface-level, top-of-mind associations, when faced with creative tasks.

Of course, a "Japanese Minimal Poster" has a sakura and a stylized flag of Japan, duh

A human designer would probably think that "Japan -> sakura" and "Japan -> Japanese flag" are way too obvious, too banal, too stereotypical, and, most importantly too boring. And then they would probably sit for a while and try to think of something fresher and less clichéd.

But AI has absolutely no problem with going with the cheesiest, most overused trope.

oliwarnerabout 1 hour ago
That's a prompt problem.

If you named a Japanese artist or style rather than giving an adjective derived from a country, you might get something that wasn't national wank.

Yes, a human might do this step for you. A mediocre one might not.

mysterydipabout 1 hour ago
Isn’t the most overused trope the most statistically weighted to be chosen from a group of options? It makes technical sense but as you say leads to boring outcomes
danpascaabout 1 hour ago
> But AI has absolutely no problem with going with the cheesiest, most overused trope.

Considering your prompt fits exactly that description I think the AI delivered perfectly. Try using some actual design language and see how well it does.

afpx44 minutes ago
The thing is, they aren't creative. When I ask an LLM to go beyond the mean, it has no idea what to do and returns incoherance. Its responses seem to have N latent dimensions of information. But, the value of each of those dimensions is always the midpoint. With creative prompting, I can push it to respond in ways that go beyond the mean, but it can't tie them together cohesively. It doesn't have anything in its training data to fill the hole in space. No ability to extrapolate.
danpasca27 minutes ago
My point is that those kinds of prompts are dumb and I actually expect the model to produce slop. In programming we write these huge prompts that go into a lot of detail, and when we do that, it actually works. I've never asked a coding agent to go beyond the mean, that just sounds like a dumb thing to do. Apply this rule in design and I'm sure you'll get better results. Kinda what the blog post is all about.
boredhedgehogabout 1 hour ago
The masses love clichés and stereotypes, which is why these "artiste" designers frequently miss their target audience.
jfewhfuehgabout 1 hour ago
If you understand how curve fitting works, then it is a very predictable outcome.
Avicebronabout 1 hour ago
Sure, but what's interesting is if you tell it to "behave unpredictably" or "don't use tropes" it usually fails down the same curve. Which is predictable, but telling.
nephihahaabout 1 hour ago
I remember seeing a poster for Chinese New Year years ago, and someone had included the kanji for Japan on it (日本). Obviously they just wanted generic looking characters without bothering to see what they meant. I couldn't resist writing a comment on the poster about it.

It showed whoever did it had no clue about East Asia or Chinese script...

Kreutzer3 minutes ago
Small businesses torching years and years of propaganda and goodwill lavished on them, so they can save the $50 it would cost to have a human design a decent-looking poster.
petetntabout 2 hours ago
The author claims that the AI posters don’t have to be horrible, but fail to see that the dozen variations generated are not distinctive - they might have somewhat different typography or imaginary, but still have the same AI uniformity and smell as the crappy restaurant poster you see on the street. The core issue is not only technical, but also the lack of vision and imagination when creating art or even infographics.
bonoboTPabout 2 hours ago
The alternative is WordArt, or just black on white Comic Sans with some bolding and font size variations with bad ClipArt. These small scale events would never hire a professional.

I'm old enough to remember that people also complained about WordArt and Clipart and too many fonts etc.

I see the chatgpt poster style on many small-scale local village events also. But again, what they replace wasn't any better. It's not replacing some beautiful craft that existed before.

wietherabout 2 hours ago

  > I'm old enough to remember that people also complained about WordArt and Clipart and too many fonts etc.
We basically had two kinds of posters:

  - those made by someone skilled/savvy (not necessarily a professional)
  - those made by someone without skills/knowledge
The later were awful, in the sense that I would never display them in my home as a reminder of a an event I took part in.

But still, they were nice because you knew someone took the time to create them to promote an event and share the important information about it, and each person was producing their own awful posters.

Now with gen AI we have something filled with trash, everything looks the same, the important information is hard to find...

Sure, the variations offered in the article are a bit better and more opinionated, but they still reek AI conformity and I feel sick looking at them.

jwrabout 2 hours ago
> they still reek AI conformity and I feel sick looking at them

I bet you would not feel sick if you didn't know ahead of time they were AI-generated. Some really are quite good.

elxrabout 1 hour ago
If you read the article at all, the "everything looks the same" is easily fixed with just a tiny bit of effort.

It's not AI causing the sameyness and hard-to-read nature of these posters, it's people being lazy. I personally think there's a few nice looking ones in there (the punk fanzine style for one).

Sure it's not some 9/10 hand made poster, but considering these take 30 seconds to make, it's impressive.

bonoboTPabout 2 hours ago
Some level of uniformity is fine and indeed the norm. It was uniform back when posters were hand painted, eg 19th century world fairs or zoo openings or theater posters. They look pretty similar. Carneval posters looked similar.

The expectation of some kaleidoscope of styles is not really grounded in how things used to be ever.

Also, it's just nostalgia, just like how some young people now think audio cassettes and discmans are "cool" and have some revival, some are nostalgic for the back-in-the-day Word posters because "at least back then", but "these days" it's decline etc. Pretty sure in a few years people will be nostalgic for crappy AI slop of 2025-26 because their shittiness will feel like some charm compared to whatever the AI will be able to do.

dreambigwrkhardabout 2 hours ago
I am somewhat tired of all the AI posters, but I have to agree with what you are saying. The alternative was not any better. I think there's a persistent and very vocal segment of the population that just want to complain about anything to do with AI with a take no hostage approach. Some instances are understandable but if a local small town event or a low budget restaurant using AI to make a poster draws so much ire, I feel that it may be likely misplaced personal frustrations projected towards others. The response don't seem to be proportional to the offence.
gyomuabout 2 hours ago
> The alternative is WordArt, or just black on white Comic Sans with some bolding and font size variations with bad ClipArt

??

The alternative is people just taking some markers & a sheet of paper, or chalk and a blackboard.

If you travel around east Asia you’ll be delighted by the variety and creativity of these handmade signs. Way better than anything produced digitally.

But of course their relationship to handwriting is completely different there compared to the west.

r_leeabout 2 hours ago
> But again, what they replace wasn't any better.

I would argue otherwise.

whereas before I'd take a glance and go "hm interesting" or whatever, with these its just "oh look, it's AI slop" and that's all I will notice

Bootvisabout 2 hours ago
In the examples above, that’s really your own loss? There will only be one or two events in your local village, it seems self defeating to ignore what they offer because you don’t like the medium. At least these posters are well laid out and easy to read.
bonoboTPabout 2 hours ago
I can't help but like the posters for the sheer reason that they annoy some annoying people who have a visceral reaction to the concept of AI.
BoredomIsFunabout 2 hours ago
> t still have the same AI uniformity and smell as the crappy restaurant poster you see on the street

You have really try hard to see that. It is good enough to not give immediate annoyed reflex of seeing something in the same ubiquitous default chatgpt style.

For goodness sake - these are just a fair posters.

danpascaabout 1 hour ago
It doesn't fail, it actually demonstrates how the model can improve the output if the prompt is better. AI generated websites look like crap because developers don't know any design language so they have no idea how to prompt the models to get something good and more unique and creative out of them. This shows that you can actually achieve that with just slightly better prompting. Just like with programming, actually.
crazybonkersaiabout 1 hour ago
Idk, those are more than alright to my eye. Surely they won't win any design awards, but as a throwaway poster for one time event these are miles better than any amateur work.
AIiscomingabout 2 hours ago
They look absolutly well done.
echelonabout 2 hours ago
The variations the author generates are night and day better than the "piss filter" era slop in the first batch.

Some of them would have passed as intentionally crafted by a graphics designer before AI.

And let's not forget that before AI, many of these would be word doc printouts with clip art. The alternative wasn't hiring a designer - the alternative was doing nothing special at all.

amarcheschiabout 2 hours ago
I was honestly ok with the silly looking posters. Where I'm from in italy it's common to have sagre, sort of cheap food events sponsored by the municipality/local shops. Before ai the posters looked like each other (as in, poster typically looking like sagre posters). Now not even that, they're just slop ai that could be everything before you read. Nobody needed better looking posters in this case...

Before ai example https://www.sagretoscane.com/sagre/fi/rignano-sullarno/sagra...

Post Ai example https://www.instagram.com/p/DZiKFZgIwcY/

Here's an article by the biggest online Italian newspaper, worth reading translated https://www.ilpost.it/2026/07/26/ai-locandine-sagre/

TacticalCoderabout 2 hours ago
> but fail to see that the dozen variations generated are not distinctive - they might have somewhat different typography or imaginary, but still have the same AI uniformity and smell as the crappy restaurant poster you see on the street

Hard disagree: every single example TFA gives is way better than the horrible generic ones that are polluting every shop and LinkedIn post.

It's not even close.

grumbelabout 2 hours ago
That's not what OP is complaining about. The issue with AI art isn't how the individual piece look, but the similarities they have in aggregate. One image can look perfectly fine, once you seen a hundred they all start looking extremely similar. Human brains are great pattern recognizer and lock on to those similarities, even when they are covered under different styles.

When all your art comes from a single source, it's difficult to create real diversity and novelty. That's still the big issue when it comes to genAI in general, without a lot of hand holding you'll just bound to end up with slop, since the AI won't get creative on its own.

TheOtherHobbesabout 1 hour ago
Did you look at the examples? They're almost ridiculously diverse, and the prompts show very little handholding was required.

They're not novel, but a poster for a spring fair isn't supposed to look like a de Kooning.

These arguments are almost completely detached from reality. Most artists aren't diverse either - they're told to find a style and stick to it, and that's what they do.

Commercial graphic designers are more versatile, but the set of standard looks is still relatively small. Hollywood movie posters and book cover designers are notorious for reusing the same tropes and colour systems, and that's been true for years, long before AI was a thing.

graemepabout 2 hours ago
I am not sure. If something is not in the usual AI style its not going to leap out at you that it is AI the same way. Maybe if thought about it, but when someone looks at a poster they typically focus on the information, not the style.
Applejinxabout 1 hour ago
Only at the first derivative. What you're observing is an additional layer of 'but, in genre X!' and then same slop, different prompt.

You're complaining about what happens when people don't even supply the additional layer, but just go 'make me a poster, no mistakes, it should be a great poster'. When you give no direction at all you get the purest of slop. You start giving directions, you start narrowing down the area you're digging through the slop of, and possibly you ask for something that people aren't familiar with and they're only able to identify that you asked.

Hence, Chinese posters with a cherry blossom and the kanji for 'Japan' and such. Someone went 'make it Chinese' and the slop associated it with 'Oriental' and what came out was collective unconscious, such that people who weren't thinking and didn't have experience might not look twice, but the meaning turned out tainted.

Sort of like food depictions that more closely resemble a pile of maggots. Those glisten! (well, I suppose they must.) There's a whole uncanny-valley thing that happens on every level and inspires revulsion. I'm suggesting that is still happening in the other examples but you've not got the experience to register their problems. With the food depictions, all animals eat stuff so we're hardwired to bounce off unsafe foods even if they glisten…

bspammerabout 2 hours ago
For me what always gives it away is not the posters themselves, it’s the context. These are all overdesigned for a local community fair. There is no way they’d be paying for a professional designer for this, therefore it’s AI.

On the other hand if it had word art, grammar/spelling mistakes, images with wrong aspect ratios or clipping issues, that would immediately convince me it wasn’t AI.

_pukabout 2 hours ago
Context is everything.

A twee handwritten sign for free range eggs at the roadside is likely to do well.

A handwritten sign for flying lessons on the other hand..

jasonjayrabout 1 hour ago
Now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure I recall a hand-painted "Skydiving" sign at some small rural airport...
bspammerabout 1 hour ago
And anyone selling flying lessons could probably afford a graphic designer, it sounds like we agree.
singpolyma3about 2 hours ago
Prompt: make me a poster in the "looks like garbage made by someone who doesn't know how to use Microsoft word or what aspect ratio is" style...
JSR_FDEDabout 2 hours ago
It’s not complicated - the default style signals low effort. Why should I get excited about the village fete if the organizers put in the barest minimum of effort?

But there’s another reason it drives people crazy - it’s low effort trying to present as high effort. If the sign was simple Comic Sans then it would at least be charmingly honest.

viraptorabout 2 hours ago
> Why should I get excited about the village fete if the organizers put in the barest minimum of effort?

Because there's no correlation between the ability to organise a village event and the graphic design skills. (Apart from "it's been so successful we can splash money on a design agency") Maybe someone actually liked it and thought it's enough. I've seen groups overthinking posters and it felt similar to groups at uni overthinking funny names instead of doing the work that actually mattered.

To be clear, I'm not saying those designs are good, just that most of the time the design is not the point and minimum effort above "Times New Roman 12pt" is what many people always wanted to do.

nkriscabout 2 hours ago
Graphic design skills don’t correlate with effort. I’ve seen terribly designed posters that the makers clearly put a lot of effort and love into because they loved whatever it was they were promoting.
oefrhaabout 1 hour ago
I’ve also seen people put a lot of effort and love into poster and stuff because that interests them (doesn’t mean they’re good at it either), then the event is utter crap because they didn’t spend much time on the actual event.
_defabout 2 hours ago
> Apart from "it's been so successful we can splash money on a design agency"

Which could be an important signal for you to decide if that's the kind of event you want to go to. Maybe the comic sans fayre is preferrable to some.

bspammerabout 2 hours ago
The last paragraph in GP’s comment is the key. Nobody would care about a low effort poster, what they care about is the deception of pretending you put a lot of effort into the poster. It’s dishonest, and it would make me subconsciously question what else they’re being dishonest about.
bonoboTPabout 2 hours ago
I think this (low effort posters) rather signals to me that they have the right priorities. A true professional poster would tell me that it's some commercial cash grab instead of real local enthusiasts making something normal.
graemepabout 2 hours ago
I am inclined to agree. Small community organisation cannot afford to pay a professional designer. They might be lucky and have a talented volunteer, but in general its a waste of limit resources.
floodleabout 2 hours ago
You don't have to get excited by anything. You are welcome to boycott the village fête because you think they didn't put enough effort into their poster. Your choice, my friend.
ModernMechabout 2 hours ago
Personally, I’d prefer people who get upset about “ai slop” to just stay home and complain about the fliers. It’s a great filter.
interleave7 minutes ago
I agree.

This week, I created a video for a personal project using AI.

And, as the creator, I honestly can not say if it's "slop or not."

So I created a "behind the scenes" page that shows the process I went through before final cut, warts and all. You can find it at https://alexisrondeau.me/mosey-site/making-of/

Do you think this helps you decide if it's slop or not?

zulbanabout 2 hours ago
Making a good poster is bikeshedding. Organizing an event is hard and making better posters than this is a waste of their limited resources.
gus_massaabout 1 hour ago
> Why should I get excited about the village fete if the organizers put in the barest minimum of effort?

Beer? The first example is about a beer festival. People go there to drink beer, not to see posters. A blank piece of paper that says 250 kinds of beers would get more excitement than any AI or handcrafted poster.

graemepabout 2 hours ago
I live in a village with lots of local events and I do not care about the design of the posters. I just care about what the event. I just want some information.
Chance-Deviceabout 2 hours ago
Ok, don’t go because of the poster. Miss out.
AIiscomingabout 2 hours ago
No one cared about shitty posters before (and yes they are shitty) and no one cares about them now.

No one is praising or collecting them. We just accepted that shitty poster exist.

Now some few people complain about ai slop at situations were no one cares and no one cared /shrug

powerteacher7 minutes ago
Word processors are designed to maximise readability, handling things like alignment and white space with zero effort from the user.

These posters don't have the feature of readability. They inconsistently apply the required design principles for this. Removing some of the clutter helps, but a WordArt poster from 1992 is still a better final product for the purpose.

Taking the last poster as an example (1940s cubist style), the graphic seems almost designed to draw your eye towards blank space. This, very precisely, detracts from the goal: the graphic is providing negative value!

Whereas, genuine 1940s cubist art exhibition posters are really astonishingly good at communicating the key information. As one example, https://artposterarchive.com/products/edward-wadsworth-vorti...

belochabout 2 hours ago
At a certain point, pottery that looked like a child made it became the high end, because well-executed pottery was coming out of machines.

We've officially reached that point with advertisements. Save your tokens. Hire your 9-year-old niece to draw the poster by hand and you'll likely get a far better reaction from most people. Nobody goes to a fair because the poster had a "modernist / Bauhaus-influenced graphic style".

A_D_E_P_Tabout 2 hours ago
What's interesting is that you can't do the same with long-form AI prose. You can ask any given LLM to write in different styles, but it will always fall back on the same rhetorical and structural techniques, so the "new style" is strictly surface-level. In fact, it's getting worse over time -- especially in Claude from Opus 4.6 --> Opus 5.

I suspect that the same thing is happening here -- as other comments note: lack of distinctiveness, uniformity -- but that the low information content of posters prevents it from becoming immediately obvious.

HPsquaredabout 2 hours ago
It's a thing inherent to diffusion models I think, a kind of uniformity of content across the image.
Sharlinabout 1 hour ago
The similarity may be partly the image model's fault – especially if it's been post-trained/distilled towards performance, correctness and "quality" (for some value of "quality" anyway) which inevitably occurs at the expense of creativity and variation.

But I think it might be more about the LLM's lack of creativity in coming up with the prompt for the image (or "embellishing" a user's prompt), or directly the embedding vector if the LLM is itself the image model's text encoder. Then whatever the image gen outputs is simply an instance of the GIGO principle. It would be interesting to test whether similar cliches and motifs also occur if you ask the model to create an SVG rather than a raster image.

samubaabout 2 hours ago
Buried at the end of the article the author linked a library of different art styles applied to the same poster content. Found some new cool art styles to try out in the future. https://john.hartnup.uk/poster-prompts/
egeozcan14 minutes ago
All posters I saw used to look like these sub-10-dollar stuff before AI took over: https://graphicriver.net/posters-graphics?sort=trending#cont...

They were/are not great. While I agree that spending extra 10 minutes improves the results, AI stuff are also not amazing. I think there's nothing surprising about this.

bananaflagabout 2 hours ago
But the thing is, all have that icon+text style in the "tombola, cakes and drinks..." part. If I wanted to be distinctive, this is what I would have tried to get rid of at first, not the "visual style" (it's sort of like Windows XP visual styles, no matter how different they are the overall layout is still recognisably Windows).
r_leeabout 2 hours ago
yeah

although I guess it's that the author used the same context with the original generated image and thus it just reused that icon+text thing

but in general, these models do seem to be kind of just go for an information-dump type of style where its just listing everything and putting as much stuff in that is associated with the words, which is what these LLMs do

so you'd probably need to steer them heavily with explicit instructions on what to do and how to get rid of it, which I'd bet nobody will actually do when making these posters

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tecleandor7 minutes ago
The icon list in every poster, no matter which style (even the minimalists) is what's killing me.
sktrdieabout 1 hour ago
> The problem is that once you’ve seen that style 20 times it starts to irritate just from the sheer repetition.

But that's how the algorithm behind LLMs functions. It simply cannot create something unique by stepping out of its existing knowledge base. It has to refurbish existing data, because, well, that's all it has.

One might argue that a human artist also is refurbishing data, made out of experiences and knowledge it has gather throughout its life.

The difference I think comes from something extra (that we're entirely dumb-founded on) that the human mind can contemplate and extrapolate from, to be able to generate something truly unique and different.

I hope (and believe) this extra magical capacity is what will not allow AI (at least in its current statistical form) to be able to match us in terms of creativity & uniqueness.

mrobabout 1 hour ago
The only ones that aren't horrible manage that because they're so bland there's nothing to go wrong. Look at an example with some detail, the "Now please make one in the style of a 90s drum n bass gig flyer, with early 3D/fractal computer imagery" poster.

At the top of the page we have a deformed wireframe sphere. A wireframe sphere is stylistically appropriate, but the incorrect rendering is not. The "CGI" aesthetic requires obviously computer generated lines, which in the 90s meant accurate and regular lines.

Next we have a messed-up stellated polyhedron, and a messed-up dot pattern. These also fail for the same reason. The main 3D rendering is also obviously broken, as are many other small details.

But the biggest failure is the complete misunderstanding of the culture. 90s DnB was absolutely not about "good vibes". The smiley face logo is completely inappropriate; that's associated with late 80s/early 90s rave culture, pre-DnB era. 90s DnB was much darker and edgier in tone. The scene was almost exclusively male, and it maintained a aggressive vibe carried over from jungle.

A 90s DnB event would never advertise "bringing communities together". Audiences would be repelled by such messaging. This is despite it actually doing just that, as the scene was racially integrated in a way that mainstream music at the time was not. If there's going to be pro-social messaging on the poster it has to be there only implicitly.

throwaway13337about 2 hours ago
I think we're in the 'early digital camera' phase of AI art gen.

The real photographers knew they were shit photos. They were grainy, bad lenses, and ugly. A lot of people still liked them because they were much more convenient for a lot of uses than the film ones.

Well, I guess there's still a lot of film people. But film had a ceiling. Digital cameras kept getting better.

The adaptive film photographers eventually adopted the tool. A lot of their skills transferred well to the new medium. Most waited until the cameras got good enough, though.

I'm not sure when that'll be with AI art gen. Seeing scenes broken up into layers in the latest gpt image generation, though, made me think we might be near.

Sharlinabout 2 hours ago
Incidentally, the "early digital camera" aesthetic has been back in style for a couple of years now.
breezybottom2 minutes ago
No, it hasn't.
rubidium18 minutes ago
It’s the same cultural response as the analog movement. The collective sense that everything Covid on stole our future, and AI is only making it worse.
kenjackson13 minutes ago
Can someone post an event poster that they think is incredible? These posters all look fine to me, but the comments seem to know much better ones - but at least in my memory I can’t recall any much better.
anonzzziesabout 2 hours ago
I see, across my city and others I visit, every bar/restaurant/etc now has low effort one shot posters, menus, etc, some with old chatgpt nonsense text / errors. It's everywhere. All that brown-ish hue food 'pictures' etc. I mean 'authentic Pizza napolitana!' and then an AI generated picture of said pizza... One of them (an Italy born Italian restaurant owner here) and he just said; people come in with the very expensive pictures / menus I had before and the same amount of people come in with these free ones. And he actually likes these better as photographing (real, not mcd/burgerking plastic props with poison paint to make it look better) food is hard, even when paid for.
Tox46about 2 hours ago
I'd rather not see photographs in the menu then seeing fake images.
epolanskiabout 2 hours ago
Here in Bielsko Biala (southern Poland) I see the same in few pubs, never seen on menus though. Shops seem to be creating lots of marketing images as well with AI and it just looks...off. In any case doesn't make me want to enter the place.
muzani40 minutes ago
One trick that works from IRL is building a moodboard. Go to Pinterest, find what you like, paste it together.

If you're short on time, you can ask AI to summarize into a certain time and craft the prompt from there. But it's better to figure out what you really like.

ChatGPT tends to fall to the same things, but many of the other image generators do much better.

bob1029about 1 hour ago
Generative AI is actually pretty good at giving you rough concept sketches and iterating on top of existing renders.

However, you must retain control over the scene graph and its composition. Use the output of the AI to guide how you work it. Do not assume the AI system has the ability to simulate world space with any meaningful fidelity. You can move transforms around in Blender and Unity with floating point bit increment/decrement operations if you wish. LLMs will never have this level of control.

Lighting systems are an entire universe of reasons you should do it the hard way too. Being able to iterate light placement and intensity with nanometric precision starts out looking like a brick wall, but it turns into a superpower once your scene is halfway decent.

I can usually tell when someone used AI to do things like generate steam store art because their camera doesn't change in a physically plausible way between the horizontal and vertical layouts. When you have access to the raw scene you can place the same camera in multiple orientations without altering any other aspect of the scene. The header capsule and vertical capsule are very difficult to make look coherent if you are using an LLM to generate these assets. Your best bet with AI art is to render something so big that it can be cropped for both, which is also quite obvious and ugly. Being able to instrument a scene as if it were a real place is way more productive than an LLM once the scene is ~done.

atrusabout 2 hours ago
This feels like an AI trap almost. A lot of the badness comes from people who don't want/can't put effort into it, so we all get a deluge of the sameyness.
officialchickenabout 2 hours ago
Or is it? Could it be the well established low-effort tendency when the dominant culture is shopping centers, vehicles, similar eating establishments, and the style of suburban housing to a large extent? That would surely encourage the LLM to emit in a similar manner. That sameyness provides a signal of comfort and familiarity.
Retr0id25 minutes ago
Well, they're superficially less same-y, but none of them are really giving spring fair vibes.

Except for the "professional graphic designer has added typography to a poster paint drawing by his young child" one, I'd go as far to say that I actually like it, especially if you were to remake it with the assistance of an actual child.

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ereiamjhabout 3 hours ago
Everyone's sick of seeing the same default ChatGPT style on posters for everything from village fetes to coffee shops to school plays.

But I'm convinced that just vetoing AI is to throw away the baby with the bathwater. So I set out to prove it.

tgvabout 2 hours ago
What do we loose when we ditch generative AI? Easier poster making? What good does that do? So now pop&mom can have a poster in their shop that looks as if some graphic artist was paid for it, but wasn't. Will that drive the economy up? Improve poverty? Halt the war? Make life more tolerable? No, it just adds the pretense of having a professional designer, something that will quickly loose its added value when everybody does it.
9devabout 1 hour ago
You seem to think design is mere flourishing, nice colors to make something pleasant to look at, but ultimately superficial and useless. I would strongly object to that--visual presentation can carry a lot of additional information, and improve the transmission as well. Giving more people the ability to present information well leads to more efficient communication, which I wouldn't just dismiss this easily.
bonoboTPabout 2 hours ago
That's true. Since ornamentation is effort-signaling, it may get dropped once it's cheap. Same thing that happened with clothing and home decor. The functional part may be beneficial though, even on utilitarian grounds. But yes, a lot of design is not about function but social signaling of taste and money as well as fashion.
siliconpotatoabout 2 hours ago
every one of them still reeks of AI. especially the trend of icons next to the activities (tombola etc). its just a reskin but they all look AI, just not that triggering minimum effort AI look that is everywhere.
satvikpendemabout 2 hours ago
For some of them if you weren't told they're AI I doubt you'd be able to tell, as they look like normal graphic design posters I've seen pre 2022.
BoredomIsFunabout 2 hours ago
exactly. Hindsight is 20/20.
ares623about 2 hours ago
I believe the point is that there is no baby in this bathwater
perching_aixabout 2 hours ago
Have you considered making the model leverage computer use via Work/Codex?

I'd imagine making the agents use the same tools that people utilize would greatly dial back how AI-generated these things look, and it would provide much better control too.

With Astra being genuinely much better at this, it should be more viable than ever.

CraigJPerryabout 2 hours ago
Designers republic and memphis were the only designs i couldn't immediately see were AI generated.

The only reason i couldn't tell memphis is because it's aping a known design language already, it's just a perfect copy so me not being able to tell it wasn't AI isn't a free pass in this case.

I think if there was a little less "grid" feeling to the layout details then i wouldn't be able to tell on a few of the other designs either.

Edit: the designers republic version is quite a lot different than the others, it's not just that it's the only design to avoid pairing every feature with an icon, it's the whole layout variety - there's different font sizes, the positioning of elements is very well done to my eye. I'm gonna say this has to be another case like memphis, there's some pre-existing design language that i don't know of and it's just aping that. It's much more human than the others which i can believe are straight ai.

hashstring21 minutes ago
What is the tell on the punk one?
blaze33about 1 hour ago
On design we have aesthetics but also legibility and usability.

For legibility: the first examples are bad because they fail to easily communicate what/when/where/details in a couple seconds, mainly because the profusion of visual clutter obfuscates the message. The latter examples fare much better on that regard.

Usability is a constraint maybe more applicable to websites like the discussion I saw the other day on the design of claude-written pages (all look the same, feels ok but good UX probably lacking).

fyredge18 minutes ago
> Go for a clean, unfussy, bright layout with a bold striking spring-themed graphic. Avoid pastel/airbrush/oil style art or images of people.

This seems to be the crux of the issue. It's not that the AI posters were bad, but has all the hallmarks of low effort. And if the organizer can't be arsed to put effort in their poster, why should anyone think it will be an event worth attending? The quoted prompt is not something someone can think of off the cuff. It requires someone who have seen enough posters to know what they would like and what not to put in. That takes effort. It's called AI slop not because it looks bad (though I do think it is), but no effort is put into them.

skybrianabout 1 hour ago
I'm reminded of how Mac apps are supposed to conform to common UI standards rather than going off and reinventing the wheel. Also the Bootstrap template for websites.

Similarly, it would be nice if there were common styles for posters that you could just use and an AI could generate and nobody would criticize you for. Not everything has to be an original design.

ameliusabout 2 hours ago
At least the AI generated posters are better than human-generated t-shirt designs, where you find generic texts such as: "Est. 1984" (or any random year), "I [heart] NY", "Property of [City/School] Athletic Dept.", "Original Trademark", "Authentic Denim Brand", etc., etc.

I don't often say this but those jobs are ripe for replacement by AI. It won't do worse!

walthamstowabout 2 hours ago
It's not that the first one is so awful in isolation, it's that they are everywhere you look when you walk down the street. The barbers, the school fête, the cafe, the church. Everywhere.
loopydosuetteabout 2 hours ago
if NOT TRULY personal preference, then all those variations ARE horrible, but if they serve some taste--personal or marketing--then they are likely not to everyone's taste.

to me, they all look like lazy-prompting, which is the only way I ever do genAI imaging, because I fail to see why that "CPU" should be wasted on something I barely even care for.

That said ... let kids do that shit and pay them 50 or 100 bucks ...

The issue is that in my walled garden, I have not seen any of the good AI stuff. My wardens still use some home trained GPT 3.5 for most stuff, including their songs on potify and bootube. And i can't get access to current top level public AIs, either. Had the actual ChatGPT and Claude models for some while but I knew why ... otherwise I might put effort into semantics, syntax, grammar and my image generation prompts, which currently look like some MITM is speedrunning collages using haiku cowork and crayons or something ...

dubeye31 minutes ago
It all reminds me of when Amazon website used to get laughed at but those who overweighted their design preferences. The first ai poster in the list look fine to me
sajithdilshanabout 2 hours ago
AI is a tool, just like photoshop was. Just because someone bought photoshop didn't mean that they can magically create amazing digital artwork, they had to learn photoshop and also be creative. Otherwise it would have been a horrible poster with comic sans. Same goes for AI, one has to learn to use the tool and be creative.
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iamflimflam1about 2 hours ago
One of the biggest problems is actually making sure the information needed is on the poster.

Times, dates, location, pricing, parking etc…

As he points out “it added a bunch of text…” now it’s one all the future designs. That’s great - is the text correct?

To be honest this was a problem before AI. People are not very good at communicating.

dubeye33 minutes ago
The top ones which are all the same are better than any that which follow. To my eye.

Guess it’s subjective. I’m looking for fair info. He is looking for design uniqueness.

throwawayffffasabout 2 hours ago
I love how the AI silently injected "A day of fun for all the family" on the hand-drawn by a child design.

PS: Which then survives in the next iterations as "A day of music, making and family fun"

Edit: Ah just saw the call out on the previous iteration.

But still it's a nice display about the semantics encoded in the models.

agnishomabout 2 hours ago
I think this is a misdiagnosis of the problem. The AI posters are just fine, perhaps even pretty good.

The problem is that using AI to create the posters show a lack of willingness to put in effort, and it makes you question whether the producer cares about the product and whether they care about the large scale societal problems related to the usage of post-2022 transformer based neural networks.

bonoboTPabout 2 hours ago
How much effort was put into these things pre-AI? None of these are big professional things, just local events. Those never had professional posters.
portlyabout 2 hours ago
Or they would pay a designer to do it for them. Also no effort but just cost more.
echelonabout 2 hours ago
> lack of willingness to put in effort

Do you only buy hand-churned butter?

Most fliers put together for community events pre-AI were Microsoft Word or Google Docs plus clip art.

The world is getting better, but before everyone realizes it we have to complain first and reminisce about the good old days of Wingdings and Comic Sans.

ModernMechabout 2 hours ago
It’s actually very amusing to me comic sans is being referred to as “charmingly honest” on this forum, of all places. Shows how much this is all just aesthetic judgement and doesn’t have any connection to reality, just opinions. Before, comic sans was so low effort it earned scorn and derision. Now, it’s charming. Meanwhile, it’s actually the same amount of (low) effort as always. But for some reason now it has been elevated. Seen people say the same about MS paint drawings, and that’s when realized this isn’t serious at all.
echelonabout 1 hour ago
Everyone is suffering and not getting what they want to some degree. Life is short, and opportunity runs out. People turn this into bitterness and direct it at external things that are going well that they're not a participant in.

It's not just AI, it's everything. Romantic rivals, celebrities, sports teams, fandoms, choice of IDE or programming language.

It's a social evolutionary strategy to neg and gossip about people and things you don't like or are jealous of. It's low energy, has little downside, and can reduce the fitness of rivals, especially when done in group settings.

The algorithm has co-opted this part of our primate brain and turned it into ad dollars.

r_leeabout 2 hours ago
these are definitely better.

I really wonder what's going on in the minds of those who make the shitty AI posters? like, are they that unaware?

for me when I see them I just get instantly repulsed

redox99about 2 hours ago
It's pretty sad when you realize the average person is just kind of... unaware. They are fine with whatever, they don't really notice most stuff that goes around them.
insightfulornotabout 1 hour ago
I like this post. And the comments even more. I've rarely seen such a breath of opinions and analysis on HN. And it's all from a straightforward use case and a few examples. Is it HN tailored clickbaiting? If it is, it is the right kind.
ameliusabout 2 hours ago
I like the other posters more, but the first poster probably still conveys the idea of the event better: people having fun, drinking beer, with a live band. You don't get that from most of the other posters unless you first mentally transform those icons into real things, which takes effort.

I'm starting to think that icons are in fact the low-effort way to convey information. It's design you can just throw in anywhere without adapting it to context (except for maybe changing color).

sdcfgy25 minutes ago
Nothing in that article isn’t horrible to my eyes.
RomanKornevabout 2 hours ago
Moral of the story - have taste.

Just like in engineering.

userbinatorabout 2 hours ago
I remember seeing that default style long before AI. Probably where it came from. At least the default is not Corporate Memphis.
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Kim_Bruning31 minutes ago
This article is doing the whole concept a disservice. It's still just randomly generating without thought; albeit maybe with a drop more taste than usual. (not a significant amount of taste, just a single drop).

The problem with a lot of AI is that the baseline is already past "good enough" for many folks.

But you can also imagine a very different approach:

Imagine if you start with a vision, and just happen to use AI tools as part of your process to realize that vision, just-like/along-with many other implements. I've seen examples where people put together many layers in photoshop or gimp, and mix with rendering, hand drawn art, photographs, etc. Very much like how some of the better programmers work with AI assist.

dbattagliaabout 1 hour ago
It did pretty great on the 90s drum-and-bass party version at the end, takes me back! :)
kelvinjps10about 1 hour ago
The second options seem very similar to the popular templates in canvas.
LastTrain40 minutes ago
Some people only have taste in their mouth
hn9zmdcaouabout 1 hour ago
Yeah, and adding an explicit "no sakura, no rising sun" list does half the work.
satvikpendemabout 2 hours ago
As usual, AI is a tool and will be good in the hands of the wielder. I've been saying this since Stable Diffusion released nearly half a decade ago.
diego_moita19 minutes ago
That post was written by a designer judging designs.

His attention is biased by the practice of seeing and understanding dozens of visual languages. But he doesn't understand that, unlike a painting, a poster isn't the purpose, the end. A painting in a museum exists for itself. A poster in a street exists at the service of a commercial message. The poster isn't the focus or the point, the message is.

He looks for visual languages, but most people would look just for information: what, who, where, when, why. If they need to spend more than a tenth of a second to decode the visual language of a poster then the poster failed.

There is a famous book on UI design whose title defines very well the design principle for things that should face the masses: "Don't make me think".

Normal people love the bland and repetitive precisely because it is familiar. That's the reason there are so many more McDonald's and similar franchise chains than fine French/Italian bistros and unique shops. That's why people listen to dumb pop and country music but not Stravinsky. People choose boredom because that's something they can easily understand.

Peopel are dumb, they don't want to think.

hermitcrababout 2 hours ago
That default style is very recognizable. I am seeing it everywhere.

I guess it is like the early days of wordprocessing, where you saw Comic Sans everywhere.

ssl-3about 1 hour ago
The early days of word processing that I remember involved monospaced serif fonts, with lines exactly 80 characters wide.
jahrastafariabout 1 hour ago
AI posters is like using the Papyrus font.
hnacobsxphabout 2 hours ago
That icon+text row is the tell for me too, though I'd blame the prompt more than the model, nobody ever asks for an awkward layout.
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peri-clabout 2 hours ago
Is there a way to formalize the space of all possible aesthetics a model knows, in a way that you could randomly sample from it?

The analogy in my mind when I read this post was: you are asking a machine to paint a color, but the machine always paints the exact same shade, deterministically; and you'd like to explore different colors, but somehow you don't know anything about colors, don't know any of their names. So you don't have the language to ask for what you can't name.

Random sampling of colors (without names!) is a solved problem, because we've parameterized the entire universe of colors that can be perceived. It's just a very low dimension manifold, and there's even a computable metric on it such that unit-distances in that metric are what humans say are color differences of equal step size.

Are there more general versions of this? Like: "Here's a list of every human art in history: infer a coordinate system that uniformly metricizes every art that can ever exist?"

feverzsjabout 2 hours ago
Can you tell your AI to not apply piss filter to everything?
lloydatkinsonabout 2 hours ago
Their very first attempt is arguably the best one there. I was surprised they didn't like it much and kept going. Then the "Stamp / Letterpress Style (Modernised)" was the only other good one.

So of the two designs made, only two were good, the rest was quite bad and lost all meaning.

akk0about 2 hours ago
AI posters may or may not have to be horrible, but they absolutely must include [ icon | icon | icon | icon ], apparently
chrismorganabout 2 hours ago
The Designers Republic one arguably avoids it. Only one of its five is an icon: three are zero-padded numbers and one is a smudge where someone forgot to stamp the icon.
lifestyleguruabout 2 hours ago
Kids are rediscovering typography and pictograms. With AI. Well done!
meindnochabout 2 hours ago
All trash, in my opinion. Different flavors of trash.
wiseowiseabout 2 hours ago
> They’re OK

They are not OK.

nephihahaabout 1 hour ago
Adding a safety pin to the punk design was too much of a cliché.

I wasn't a fan of the Memphis one as it reminds me of the worst eighties and nineties designs.

glemmaPaulabout 1 hour ago
Only the last poster kind of gave me vibes, the other ones are absolutely soulless and slop.

I guess it works for the target audience.

AyanamiKaineabout 2 hours ago
People dont want to write multiple prompts or write a lengthy one. They want to say create poster x for event y. That's it, that's what they get and that's what they take.
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Razenganabout 2 hours ago
Most AI-generated art is "good enough" for most one-shot designs by now (though still not [always] as good as a good meat-based artist of course)

The problems right now are:

- Maintaining a consistent and coherent style/aesthetic when you have to generate lots of assets for something. For example sprites in a video game.

- Iterating over a design for more than a few passes. For some reason most models keep degrading the entire image if you keep asking for edits to a specific part of the image. Or, some problems are or become impossible for them to fix no matter how you prompt them.

jdw64about 2 hours ago
But if a designer improves an AI design and I feel it's fine, does that make me strange? If you ran a blind test on this, I think it would come out with high preference...
wiseowiseabout 2 hours ago
> They’re OK

No, they aren't.

shevy-javaabout 1 hour ago
Well, sometimes AI generates pictures that are not bad. Personally though I am tired of AI slop in general, and I don't want to support it. AI literally kills humans. In some scenarios AI is still useful (e. g. if you write a game, say, in javascript and you don't have any designers helping you out, you could generate images that don't suck, quickly, via AI) but other than that the less I get of AI the better. Google now has that problem with AI - tons of AI slop and fake videos. I realised the AI slop just wastes my time but Google does not offer a simple "do not show me any AI slop" videos. After all they want people to waste their time on youtube, by design. So I now waste my time twice by using Youtube, if I watch an AI slop video.
jfewhfuehgabout 2 hours ago
If only there was a way to precisely control our output so it matches our taste and imagination. Some might call this technology, drawing.
dude250711about 2 hours ago
AI posters are not horrible, they just expose the person who "commissioned" them as trash. In a way, that is a good thing, since you can avoid them more easily.
468854259853about 2 hours ago
The only thing that separates you from trash is that you meticulously hand-craft your posters.
sarchertechabout 1 hour ago
This isn’t a web UI, it doesn’t need icons.

But more importantly, if you aren’t the kind of person who could make a halfway decent text only poster before, you are going to make the posters at the top of the article. Those are objectively harder to read than something typed up in word.

You aren’t going to know to tell the AI to “ Go for a clean, unfussy, bright layout with a bold striking spring-themed graphic. Avoid pastel/airbrush/oil style art or images of people.”