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rcr-anti19 minutes ago
Pet peeve on Google's AI rollouts: there's no alignment across the three platforms they have, consumer, prosumer, cloud. Scroll to the end of every release, including this one, and you'll see different availabilities. The fun part is the models don't even have the same capabilities across platforms! Omni Flash, last I tried and read the docs, is video and text out on consumer and prosumer but video out only on GCP. So if your org disables consumer and prosumer, like mine, it's a coin flip whether you can use the fancy new models or what they can do.
simonwabout 2 hours ago
> Voice replication: Recreate consistent vocal profiles from just a 30-second audio sample of your voice or a voice you have the rights to use, backed by built-in consent verification, SynthID watermarking, and C2PA credentials to protect both developers and their vocal talent.

I guess voice cloning is widely enough available now from other providers that Google are no longer hesitant to ship it.

kingstnapabout 1 hour ago
Yesterday night I was doing a project with QwenTTS 1.7B.

After some debugging, making a clean dataset with clean recordings, and experimenting with a good fine tune recipe (much props to the new GPT models yesterday being cheaper).

I was able to make a robo-me that sounds absurdly good, family was shocked, all in a matter of a few hours.

So yeah the cat is out of the bag for sure.

yieldcrv26 minutes ago
Its so crazy to me how prevalent bad AI voices are, when local models can do such good AI voices
throwa35626233 minutes ago
This has been possible for quite a long time (probably 1-2 years). There are multiple open models that can do this quite well. Recent example from my YT feed:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WENMgQE9tws

Multicompabout 2 hours ago
They probably do something similar to GPT-Live where they expect a given voice profile to send them a sample saying 'This is the owner of this voice and I consent for synthetic samples to be made of it'

and/or local voice cloning is good enough as is so Google doesn't grant a uniquely liable ability?

gruezabout 1 hour ago
>and/or local voice cloning is good enough as is so Google doesn't grant a uniquely liable ability?

Probably the latter. Cat's already out of the bag to the extent that you can synthesize with a specific voice in one go and it sounds decent. Even if you need commercial models for better intonation or whatever, you can probably get the commercial models to first generate with a generic voice, then use a local model to transfer that to voice you're cloning. That'll probably get rid of any C2PA watermarks too.

miltonlostabout 2 hours ago
"Don't be evil... unless other companies are doing it first"
kmoserabout 1 hour ago
Google granted themselves the authority be evil back in 2018. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil
imjonseabout 2 hours ago
voice cloning is a tool, it is not necessarily evil, even though the scenarios it can be used for nefarious purposes outnumber the legitimate ones.
bakiesabout 2 hours ago
is the legit ones just like... putting carrie fisher in star wars?
gruezabout 1 hour ago
I mean yeah? If google offers a cloud nmap tool, should everyone get in a tizzy about how google is "evil", even though it saves baddies maybe 5 minutes of work?
thangalinabout 2 hours ago
Here's a video of my Emotive Audiobook Creator, KeenLore, a locally hosted web app:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAeHgE94rVo

No cloud, no tokens to pay. Reads a book using a full cast of characters. Quotation attribution detection (for my novel) is at 97.2% accuracy (485/499 quotes identified and assigned correctly). The autofill of character voice descriptions uses the prose to determine how the character sounds.

Employs Gemma 4[1] for the prose analysis (voice fills, quotation detection) and Qwen3 TTS Voice Design[2] for creating voice samples. Runs on an 8GB NVIDIA T1000 GPU card, 96 GB RAM, and a AMD Ryzen 5 7600.

[1]: https://deepmind.google/models/gemma/gemma-4/

[2]: https://huggingface.co/spaces/Qwen/Qwen3-TTS-Voice-Design

loremmabout 2 hours ago
It's cool technology and I read a lot of audiobooks, even hundreds of hours of TTS. I feel like my brain can fill in the character voices from the text - on the page it's not like they're different fonts.

I understand audiobook narrators often do it, and that's fun. But it's not so critical in my opinion

Multicompabout 2 hours ago
<grumble grumble people putting in links they expect you to follow to arbitrary goatse youtube videos for all I know>

The title of the video is 'KeenLore - Emotive Audiobook Creator Demo' and it appears to be a web UI and some local stack that reads text files.

Jordan-117about 1 hour ago
Their first sentence literally tells you it's a video of their app? It's not a mystery-meat link.
talon8635about 2 hours ago
Our imaginations and minds continue to rot under the weight of endless and effortless entertainment
Multicompabout 2 hours ago
I direct my own extended daydream Star Trek fanfic (okay, I'm on season 2 episode 17) and recently I looked to see if I could have each scene file be read aloud a la an audiobook or radio drama.

Getting GPT-Live to have unique enough voices and to be expressive with how I imagine the voices going in my head is hard to direct, there's not enough control there.

So this Gemini 3.8 specific large voice library and ability to tightly control (if you are willing to write a script) is nice to find, and while I'm not sure which of the 5,286 Gemini products this is, nor how to onboard and get started feeding this my own text files, nor what training will happen to my data if I did somehow use it, I love that the state of the industry is such that Google can do this and release it publicly, because that means eventually an equivalent product can come from someone else and be used locally / confidently that the generated audio or inputs won't be retained and misused.

exhilarationabout 2 hours ago
You might find this interesting, it seems to be exactly what you need to make an audio drama: https://github.com/Finrandojin/alexandria-audiobook

Also the Qwen3-TTS demo is cool, you can describe the voice you want: https://huggingface.co/spaces/Qwen/Qwen3-TTS

I came across both on this subreddit, it's very active: https://www.reddit.com/r/TextToSpeech/

I'm personally using this locally: https://github.com/mateogon/pdf-narrator (it's a Python frontend for Kokoro) on my M1 Macbook Air (from 2020, with 8GB RAM) and it's incredible. I make my own audiobooks now - for free!

My favorite voice is am_michael and here's a sample: https://voicerankings.com/voice/kokoro-82M/male/am_michael/s...

throwa35626227 minutes ago
Then I think what this guy is doing with local Star Trek voice cloning is right up your alley:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jDudeaWppSE

ghostbrainalphaabout 2 hours ago
Original series or Next Generation?
hungryhobbitabout 2 hours ago
Please don't say Nu Trek.
k12sosseabout 2 hours ago
Lower decks obviously
seemazeabout 2 hours ago
My primary use case for TTS is converting written content (blogs, articles, etc.) in to clips I can listen to on the go.

Is there a good browser extension that does this with a flexible TTS backend? I know Qwen, Kokoro, and VibeVoice all have decent quality..

kyrraabout 2 hours ago
If you use Chrome on Android, there is a "Listen to this page" option in the menu.

https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/14768725?hl=en

unglaublichabout 1 hour ago
I vibed a wikipodcast app that has a wikipedia dump, gemma llm for search and summarization and a tts model for audio gen so I could just ask about topics while on the go, and the app would just go off and tell me stuff out of the Wikipedia database.

It was especially nice during a bike trip along the Rhine, I listened to a lot of the history of the industrial area and its cities.

janalsncmabout 1 hour ago
For on the go, I’ve been using ElevenReader. Technically not free but their free tier has been plenty for me.
Thaxllabout 1 hour ago
What is the best open model / tool for text to speech running locally?
rhdunn7 minutes ago
It depends on what you are after (quality, legibility, performance, etc.).

If you're after quality then Qwen3 TTS is a very good model esp. if you take some effort to craft a voice file. It is slow, so isn't practical for real-time voices (like assistants). It can also occasionally switch to a different voice to the one provided, so you may want to break up the text being processed.

I've not yet tried other recent/recentish models.

If you are after performance then two options from older models are:

1. flite with a HTS (Hidden Markov Model) voice like cmu_us_rms (male) or cmu_us_slt (female);

2. espeak/espeak-ng with an MBROLA (an Overlapped Add model) voice (mb-us1, mb-de5-en, etc.).

Alternatively, you could try using Qwen3 TTS or over voice changing model with the CMU Arctic (http://www.festvox.org/cmu_arctic/) voice data which includes audio for the rms and slt voices among others.

If you're feeling adventurous you could also try fine tuning one of the TTS models on that data to create a custom voice, though the data is likely to be in the training data for the voices, so using an audio sample may be sufficient depending on the TTS model.

VariousPrograms21 minutes ago
I've got the best results with BreezeTTS, Higgs Audio v3, and Fish Audio S2 Pro. audio.cpp (https://github.com/0xShug0/audio.cpp) is an easy way to run a lot of different models.

Different models have different strengths. If you throw an entire ebook at a model you're going to get a different result than if you craft a perfect 10 second sentence with a model that supports voice direction and emotion tags, so you should try a bunch depending on your use case.

freedombenabout 1 hour ago
I've been making audiobooks out of text files that I have lying around, and kokoro TTS has been phenomenal
x3haloedabout 1 hour ago
I love PocketTTS. It's stupid fast and the voice quality is decent. But it's not the highest quality.
simonwabout 1 hour ago
I vibe coded a playground UI for trying this out. The conversation mode is neat, and it's very expensive - most of my experiments have cost less than a cent.

https://tools.simonwillison.net/gemini-tts-playground#compos...

mohsen15 minutes ago
Why tho? AI Studio has this model available and I don't need to paste the API key anywhere

https://aistudio.google.com/generate-speech?model=gemini-3.8...

simonw4 minutes ago
Because building my own is a better way to understand the capabilities of the model and how to use it - and to verify that it can be used via CORS.
iAMkenoughabout 1 hour ago
Very expensive?
simonloserson13 minutes ago
he's vibe writing
eis28 minutes ago
Nice but in general I wouldn't put my API key into some third party website, no matter if it claims to not store it. It's not something personal, you are a bit of a celeb here so I wouldn't think you'd save the keys, it's just good general data hygiene. Especially not if a leaked API key can rack up thousands of dollars in fees quickly.
simonw4 minutes ago
Sure. Feel free to copy the code and run it yourself instead.
accountrequiredabout 2 hours ago
"users must provide a verbal consent recording from the voice owner that matches the reference speaker before a voice can be created"

How long is this stored? What could go wrong? :P

kmoserabout 1 hour ago
Does it detect synthesized consent recordings?
112233about 2 hours ago
"Super tinny monotone robotic voice" does not sound neither tinny nor monotone. Compared to what TTS from 90s sounded like. Or even how actors impersonated robots in movies. Has the model been eating too much hype DJs?
burkamanabout 2 hours ago
None of these examples are really what the prompt asked for. It's just like image models, once you get over how unbelievable it is that a computer produced this you realize the result isn't actually what you want.
xnxabout 2 hours ago
Would be great if this would power the Google Books app feature. The voice system there is pretty out of date.
laweijfmvoabout 2 hours ago
the ratio of new voice models i see on hackernews to the number actually deployed in any product i use is approximately infinity.
mamudoabout 2 hours ago
Yes, I am quite disappointed by seeing all this cool AI stuff and yet the same Play Books. Come on, it is the best place to apply AI, in my opinion.
nater5000about 2 hours ago
It's giving me an error when I try to generate a voice with Voice Design in AI Studio. It also says voice replication isn't available in my region.

Also weird that there are no "neutral gender" voices in the English language. There's also limited "use cases," like the "Gaming" use case is empty?

And there's no pricing listed anywhere.

I don't know, I guess their roll out is a bit sloppy. It's a bit of a shame, though, since the voices which are available all sound like generic Gemini voices to me. Nothing stands out is being particularly interesting or impressive about this.

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maelitoabout 2 hours ago
Related, for embedding small models, this lib is incredible.

Having a voice under 1Mo is crazy, even if it sounds robotic.

https://tts.ampixa.com/sanoTTS/

burkamanabout 2 hours ago
Seems like voice actors are safe for now. This is technologically incredible, but the results are really not very good, and usually not particularly close to the prompt. In basically all of these examples some core part of the prompt is completely ignored.
avazhiabout 2 hours ago
> Seems like voice actors are safe for now. This is technologically incredible, but the results are really not very good,

Um, what?

burkamanabout 2 hours ago
Technologically incredible as in "I cannot believe it's possible for a computer to do this" and not very good as in "these examples are not what was prompted and I can't think of a use case where these would be acceptable".

Imagine someone showing you that they've trained their dog to hold a paintbrush and paint. There would be no contradiction between "this is incredible" and "these paintings suck".

sgcabout 2 hours ago
Sorry if this is in that article, but I am on my phone and can't see it. How much would this cost to batch generate an audiobook? Right now I just listen to things in the 11 labs app which is free, but I would rather just generate audio files.
thevinterabout 2 hours ago
Roughly 5-10$ for 10h, assuming you few-shot it.

Price per hour:

- 3.8 Flash TTS, standard: $0.81

- 3.8 Flash TTS, batch: $0.41

- 3.8 Flash‑Lite TTS, standard: $0.54

- 3.8 Flash‑Lite TTS, batch: $0.27

sgcabout 1 hour ago
That is the biggest difference here for me. I have not looked at every solution, but many. They are either much more expensive or garbage quality. For example my next target audiobook is a monster 250k words, 1.5m characters, so about $15 here or $75 using elevenlabs (0.05 per 1k characters). For me that is the difference between I will or I won't use it.
eis20 minutes ago
Until the end of the year, then double that. And that's only the audi output though the text input shouldn't cost much in comparison.

Official pricing can be seen here: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/pricing#gemini-3.8-fla...

LarsDu88about 1 hour ago
I've been trying to track the SOTA for years switching between wavenet on Gcloud, to Azure, to ElevenLabs, and now Fish.audio. This is damn good
nitroedgeabout 2 hours ago
Couldn't see this in the article, does it support API calls for one-shot conversation type responses like ElevenLabs offers?

$0.50 per hour pricing could last a long time with back and forth conversation use.

cainxinthabout 1 hour ago
They keep announcing new 3.8 variants. I wonder why they still haven't updated 3.1 Pro yet.
dadoumabout 1 hour ago
here is a competitor, if someone wants to compare https://gradium.ai/
perrohunterabout 2 hours ago
Gemini 3.8 "Flash" says hello
fullstackwifeabout 2 hours ago
It would be nice to have sound effect generation (use case: games)
dainiusseabout 1 hour ago
Where is "pro"?
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andrewstuartabout 2 hours ago
I’ve never found a TYS that does convincing British accents.

They all sound like Americans putting in their best fake British accent.

WarmWash31 minutes ago
I hope this spills over into more voices for android/android auto default assistant voices. The current choices are all so meh
drewbittabout 2 hours ago
Great price at least until December 31 too.
OutOfHereabout 1 hour ago
Pricing isn't noted.
talon8635about 2 hours ago
Great. Now in additional to AI email responses I will get AIs impersonating my contacts on the phone too. Lovely.
m3kw9about 2 hours ago
Still sounds AI, you can tell they exaggerate all the tone and trailing "high scoring expressive sounds" like your job depends on it.
xmorseabout 2 hours ago
Based on this video I think this model was trained on p*rn

https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/ori...

droidjjabout 2 hours ago
It’s just a woman’s voice…
hmokiguessabout 2 hours ago
That argument says as much about the training as it says about your sexuality, you do realize that right.
xmorseabout 2 hours ago
you can't use this model if it randomly moans between phrases
konartabout 1 hour ago
Either you have posted link to a wrong video or we have a very different experience when it comes to moaning.

Onomatopoeia? Sure it is there, and some fillers (or whatever you call those little sounds). But moans?