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vintermann•about 3 hours ago
The dataset excites me more than the fairly vague conclusion that some SNPs possibly linked to traits were selected for (or hitched along to genes which were selected for). Genetic archaeology is just so much more exciting than this.

But I bet there will be a ton more of that too, thanks to the high quality dataset.

timmg•about 1 hour ago
> the fairly vague conclusion that some SNPs possibly linked to traits were selected for

Interesting. I find that part of the paper the most exciting. We always knew selection would happen for valuable traits. But seeing demonstrations of it in the timelines we have is pretty important.

Metacelsus•about 4 hours ago
See also the press release: https://hms.harvard.edu/news/massive-ancient-dna-study-revea...

This study covers about 10,000 years of recent human evolution in Europe and West Asia.

From the abstract:

>in the past ten millennia, we find that many hundreds of alleles have been affected by strong directional selection. We also document one-standard-deviation changes on the scale of modern variation in combinations of alleles that today predict complex traits. This includes decreases in predicted body fat and schizophrenia, and increases in measures of cognitive performance. These effects were measured in industrialized societies, and it remains unclear how these relate to phenotypes that were adaptive in the past. We estimate selection coefficients at 9.7 million variants, enabling study of how Darwinian forces couple to allelic effects and shape the genetic architecture of complex traits.

bcjdjsndon•about 2 hours ago
How did they decide what made a trait adaptive?
MarkusQ•about 1 hour ago
The didn't decide, they observed; consistent directional pressure over thousands of years is strong evidence that an allele is being selected for.
bcjdjsndon•31 minutes ago
So if it survives it's fit, if it's fit it survives? The old tautology
nine_k•8 minutes ago
Whatever does not survive stops registering in later times; most of the time, what helps survival is retained, and what helps survival is what increases fitness.
Symmetry•19 minutes ago
Not a tautology but a definition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitness_(biology)

shadowtree•about 3 hours ago
Blank Slate hypothesis is now officially refuted, correct?

Different evolutionary paths between races/regions, with impact on mental health and cognitive performance.

svnt•about 1 hour ago
No one in adjacent fields has been seriously engaging tabula rasa speculation from the 17th century for quite some time prior to this paper.

What you think the implications are of that for your present day lived experience, that might be a different conversation.

Tor3•about 2 hours ago
Just where did you get that from? Certainly not from the paper.
kloop•about 2 hours ago
I think they're talking about this bit:

> We finally observed signals of selection for combinations of alleles that today are associated with three correlated behavioural traits: scores on intelligence tests (increasing γ = 0.74 ± 0.12), household income (increasing γ = 1.12 ± 0.12) and years of schooling (increasing γ = 0.63 ± 0.13). These signals are all highly polygenic, and we have to drop 449–1,056 loci for the signals to become non-significant (Extended Data Fig. 10). The signals are largely driven by selection before approximately 2,000 years )*, after which γ tends towards zero

Presumably pressure in different regions lead to different combinations of those alleles, which I think they are shorthanding a bit, but the fact that those alleles exist makes blank slate theory a kind of rough assumption

svnt•about 1 hour ago
I haven’t had time to really dig in to the paper but these data (from only one region) are limited in their ability to compare regions, right?

If anything they seem to support homogenization of intellectual capacity/mental health in Eurasia since 2kya.

The methodology, if it holds up, seems to hold a lot of promise for answering questions like this in the future.

Nesco•about 1 hour ago
There is a graph arguing “intelligence” has been positively selected in west Eurasian population in this paper according to a polygenic score (page 8 fig. 4)

Now I would be quite curious to know how they constructed this polygenic score

tokai•about 2 hours ago
Racists are hilarious. They will twist and bend anything remotely applicable to fit and underpin their prejudices.
lukev•about 1 hour ago
To be clear: most people who are keen on making such an argument, or who are identifying racial genetic differences as the primary takeaway of studies like this, are doing so to justify racism, either implicitly or explicitly.

But that's a strawman. Racism is wrong, even if there are minor genetic variances across populations (which... seems obvious?) Variance within a population strongly dominates the weak cross-population effects, and personal history (nutrition, education, etc) strongly dominates that.

And that's setting aside the moral implications of judging someone or changing your behavior towards them even if you have somehow measured them to be "less intelligent," as if that was a single axis of worth.

Because, apparently, this needs to be said.

card_zero•38 minutes ago
This interest in IQ has a negative effect on the concept of intelligence, never mind human unity. It attaches exaggerated importance to test scores, jobs, and school. It tends toward snobbery.
georgeburdell•30 minutes ago
And yet you are also likely to argue “weather is not climate”. Differences in population characteristics of all kinds have massive societal implications and we should lean into addressing them.
lukev•16 minutes ago
Well if you are talking about environmental stuff (like leaded gasoline), sure.

If you’re talking about trying to improve the genetics of populations at scale… yikes.

bonsai_spool•about 2 hours ago
Here's the paper - we ideally shouldn't be linking to PDFs of these things but it's paywalled https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-026-10358-1
damnitbuilds•about 3 hours ago
I always knew I was smarter than my parents.