Stephen's Sausage Roll remains one of the most influential puzzle games

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npinsker•about 3 hours ago

Stephen's Sausage Roll is my favorite puzzle game. But more interestingly -- it's a near-universal opinion within puzzle communities that SSR is one of the all-time best. I've never heard of such a strong consensus in other subgenres of game.

Unlike other consensus "bests", it's relatively unknown to the public (which is understandable for many reasons). It's very likely that if you're a puzzle game devotee, you will fall in love with SSR; but at the same time, if you don't have experience with puzzle games, you'll very likely hate it.

As a result, I've always thought it's an interesting window into how we value "taste" and "mastery", how too much mastery can actually distance us from one another, and what meaning there is in designing games for an ideal world shaped around ourselves, versus the world we actually live in.

It's well-known that puzzle games sell badly on Steam, and I think part of that is that difficulty and struggle is an acquired taste. Most try to paper over that gap with nice soundtracks and graphics, "hooky" mechanics, and narrative. SSR is so interesting because it contrasts so violently: it's ascetic, has no obvious hook, and offers nothing but difficulty and struggle, and the best feeling in the world if you decide to push through it anyway.

ghostly_s•about 2 hours ago

Some of my favorites are puzzle games but I guess I’m not a member of the "community" (is there a message board?) and I’m surprised to hear there's any consensus on anything- my experience has been that most puzzle fans have a very specific subgenre they enjoy rather than enjoying "puzzle games" as a whole. I've had such little luck finding new games I enjoy that I don't pay any attention to puzzle game recommendations u less it reminds me of a specific game I already like. I've played several games in this genre (didn't know it had a name!) and they are very much not my thing.

tobr•about 1 hour ago

”Thinky puzzle games” is a specific subgenre and community, revolving mostly around variations of sokoban, but really has an appetite for any game that deeply explores how a few mechanics can be combined and lead to interesting consequences.

kibwen•about 3 hours ago

Stephen's Sausage Roll is great, but even among sokobanlikes, I'm loathe to call it the undisputed all-time best when it's up against Baba Is You.

neop•about 3 hours ago

Overall, I probably agree that Baba is You is a better game, but I think what makes Stephen's Sausage Roll receive so much praise is that the puzzle design is incredibly tight. It's a very straightforward concept and the core mechanic does not change between the first and the last level. But the puzzles are expertly crafted in a way that as you progress through the game you naturally come across situations where you think you know everything about the game and then it surprises you with a new mechanic that you did not expect.

Baba is You ramps up as you go to, but the ramping up is mostly done by the game giving you new tools to work with. Plus, the amount of interesting puzzles you can do with the mechanics of Baba is You is virtually endless, whereas SSG makes you feel like the game squeezed all the possible gameplay out of moving sausages around.

Cpoll•about 3 hours ago

SSR walked so Baba could run

In favor of SSR: The design is more vertical than Baba, it explores fewer mechanics but with greater depth. And it's entirely spatial, whereas Baba's solutions are sometimes a matter of wordplay, with the sokoban just a formality.

I like Baba better, but I'm not sure if it's the better game.

jldugger•about 3 hours ago

> SSR walked

rolled, surely

rjh29•about 1 hour ago

All of the critically acclaimed puzzle games seem to be sokobans. I have no idea why sokoban is so popular; I find it very tedious to move blocks around manually, especially if I already know the solution and I'm just making it happen. For me games like Artisan of Glimmith, LOK Digital, Tiling Town and Lingo are the most fun, followed by deductive games like The Roottrees Are Dead and The Case of the Golden Idol.

airforce1•about 1 hour ago

This one is critically acclaimed and is not a sokoban: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2721890/oo/

Waterluvian•about 2 hours ago

My list of must play puzzle games is far too short: Portal, Portal 2, Demon’s Souls, and Baba is You. It’s amazing to me that I’ve never heard of a game this lauded.

hbn•about 2 hours ago

I don't think I've ever heard of Demon's Souls being categorized as a puzzle game. I suppose some of the bosses have a trick to figure out? But I'd still think it falls into the action RPG genre by a wide margin.

kibwen•about 2 hours ago

Prepare yourself to get inundated with recommendations. Antichamber, Tunic, Talos Principle, Blue Prince, Return of the Obra Dinn, Outer Wilds, Superliminal, literally every Zachtronics game (most especially Opus Magnum)...

kibibu•about 2 hours ago

No "The Witness"? Not incredibly challenging, but I very much enjoyed its blend of puzzling and aesthetic.

VorpalWay•about 2 hours ago

Personally, I had wanted a new Myst, and The Witness wasn't that, and so I was a bit disappointed. Obduction was released a year or two later and it was similar to the Myst I remember from my childhood and it was also a good game. I strongly recommend it.

That said, The Witness isn't a bad game as such, though the puzzles do get a bit repetitive in my opinion. I prefer more variety rather than hyper focus on one type of puzzles.

cubefox•about 2 hours ago

Demon’s Souls???

I guess Zelda, Metroid and Half-Life also count as puzzle games then. :)

huhtenberg•about 2 hours ago

Give "Please Don't Touch Anything" a try.

rodarmor•about 3 hours ago

I wish that Opera Omnia, also by Stephen Lavelle, got more attention. It is mind-blowing exploration of the idea of propaganda and revisionist history, which somehow also manages to be engaging and fun, with an incredibly unique core mechanic.

nemomarx•about 3 hours ago

https://www.increpare.com/game/opera-omnia.html

This one? It looks interesting but definitely a lot less visible than SSR and not on storefronts or etc, right?

Mond_•about 3 hours ago

No shade thrown, but I always preferred my game with some amount of story or artistic ambition beyond mere puzzling.

I'd take Void Stranger or probably even Deadly Rooms of Death: The Second Sky over Stephen's Sausage Roll any day, I imagine.

amavect•about 2 hours ago

I love pure puzzles and completed SSR. The story consists of sign plaques that narrate the history of the fictional world, and how your player character fulfills their place in the world through the main goal of cooking sausages. A bit unique and interesting, though not particularly complex, and you can guess the twist before it reveals. In other words, a puzzle game with a short story interspersed, perhaps 99% puzzles and 1% reading. The music consists of relaxing algorithmic ambience. The artistic ambition aims for surrealism and minimalism. I like it a lot, but I recommend against it for you.

gorgoiler•about 3 hours ago

If you or anyone else reading this haven’t finished Stephen’s Sausage Roll to the very end, including reading all the story book paragraphs along the way (which increase in poignancy and frequency as the game winds to a close) then I strongly encourage you to do so. No spoilers!

de•li•cious saus•ag•es

why_at•about 3 hours ago

Yeah same here. I love puzzle games but there needs to be something to it besides puzzles for puzzles sake for me.

I've seen this game recommended many times but I've never played it because I feel like I would get bored very fast. Same with Zachtronics games.

fyrabanks•about 2 hours ago

i so badly want to spoil the story of stephen's sausage roll for you. i feel bad even spoiling that there is a story. play it.

Boxxed•about 2 hours ago

Deadly Rooms of Death is criminally underrated and generally unknown. Journey to Rooted Hold is personally my DRoD of choice.

kimos•about 1 hour ago

I completely understand how this game is brilliant and a perfect puzzle game. But it was so hard and frustrating I could not play it.

freedomben•about 2 hours ago

FYI it's on sale on Steam today: $5.99

tantalor•about 2 hours ago

> most influential puzzle games ever

Never heard of it.

binbag•about 1 hour ago

It's a perfect game.

gowld•about 2 hours ago

Is this what Jonathan Blow is trying to copy with Sinking Star?

ktallett•about 2 hours ago

Kula world was and always will be my favourite of these sort of games. Simple yet really challenging.

lanfeust6•about 2 hours ago

Good sokoban, but maybe my fastest rage/impatience quit on a puzzle game at 10-ish hours. I find it too difficult.